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| Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Orange County, CA
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| The Aussies deserve plenty of credits and accolades for their actions in NG. The US 31st Infantry Division also saw some really tough action too. In fact the Aussies and American troops in NG had a far tougher fight than the Marines on Guadalcanal. Untill mid 1943, most US troops were going to the Solomons, and MacArthur had to make do with his motley crew. I think the fighting conditions in the SW Pacific was probably the worst on earth. Disease, tropical conditions, insects, wildlife and above all, rain, all sapped at the strength and fighting ability of both sides.
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| Der Crewchief ![]() Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany
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| Re: The Philipines Quote:
Dont forget the men who fight the battle. It is not the General in the rear who wins a battle, it is the men on the ground who win the battle.
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Midway! We know that story.... Lete Gulf, Taffy 3 http://www.battleship.org/html/Artic...ory/Leyte5.htm
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| "Shooter" ![]() | Excellent example, Joe! Otherwise known as the Battle off Samar. Clifton Sprague was one hell of a commander!
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| At Guadalcanal, we usually were out numbered on the ground, air and sea.
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| YEP!!!
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One more attack on Pearl would have taken out the fuel stores and the dry docks, at a minimum forcing a reduction in our efforts in the first months of the war (also denying the Yorktown at Midway). At a maximum forcing the fleet to move to San Diego. They had the firepower and manpower to take Midway anyway, our airpower was essentialy gone, again they would be denying us a stratigic base. They had Taffy 3 and the landing craft/beaches on the edge, had they come on it would have been a disaster for us. Esp. in situations like Leyte Gulf, you have what is essentialy a suicide mission, you have to drive it home to succede, the effort and sacrifice is wasted if you turn tail and leave half way through. wmaxt | ||
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| "Shooter" ![]() | While that may be try, it still illustrates the point that these were outnumbered American commanders that fought through and won.
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| My ex-father in law was on one of the surviving destroyers during Taffy 3 - I don't remember which one but he hated Admiral Halsey.... He said they got pelted pretty bad....
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| The battle of Savo island in Aug 1942 was another example of the IJN not finishing off with a complete victory at hand. After the IJN had swept away the US (and Aussie) cruisers, they had a free hand to wipe out the invasion force still anchored offshore, just 30 minutes of steaming time away. What did the IJN admiral do? He sailed away happy with what he did, not with what he could accomplish. The idiot! Had he took out the transports, the US would have lost Guadalcanal before it even started.
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| Thats kind of my point, the Japanese gave up and retreated a number of times when, had they continued they would have won. The Americans were lucky the Japanese quit, not good in that we beat them, in those situations - not that I'm questioning their courage or ability they didn't give up, the Japanese did, and thats what won the day. Had the Japanese pushed on those occasions we would have been fighting there for another 5 years. wmaxt |
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| The Japanese had great battles early and then bad later. They were very hot and cold, lol.
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They did the perfect job at Pearl to make sure they lost - they riled us up and left us operational. wmaxt | |
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| | #30 |
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| Japan had the capacity to hold us off till late 1943. After that time, the Allied forces would have had the quantatative and qualitative edge and Japan would be on borrowed time. Once the B29's were available in quantity in summer of 1944, then we had the ways of striking any Japanese force/base in the PTO with impunity.
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