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10-09-2005, 03:12 AM
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| Because the American Sabre only produces around 6000 ib thrust. | 
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10-09-2005, 03:25 AM
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Country:  | But does the plus 1,500 lbs make up for the increase in weight? And it'd be much better with 23,000 lbs.
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10-09-2005, 07:24 AM
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#18 | | He who does not skim
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ The the CL-13 was the Canadiar desigation for the Sabre | Yeah, we always have to change things like that for some reason. Like sticking the red maple leaf in the centre of the McDonald's logo. We've "Canadianized" it.  | |
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10-09-2005, 07:41 AM
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Country: | My god ...next you'll be sticking the maple leaf in your flag and saying you're a real country. 
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10-09-2005, 08:11 AM
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#20 | | Minister of Whoopass
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10-09-2005, 08:18 AM
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#21 | | He who does not skim
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Country: | Seriously though, we do that with a lot of things. I mean I'm a proud enough Canuck and all, but...I dunno. It just seems a bit pointless to me sometimes to have to stick a leaf on something just to make it seem home-grown to people who couldn't really care less anyway. What's the difference? | |
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10-09-2005, 08:29 AM
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Country: | Well, you get CJD from Canadian McDonalds ...maybe that's the difference. 
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10-09-2005, 12:29 PM
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| The weight of a Aussie Sabre was about 10% more than an F86F, Its engine the Avon was about had about a 23% increase in thrust compared to the J47-GE-27.
This was more than enough to give a significant improvement in performance over the USA Sabre, as well as having all the extra kit.
As an aside, the Avon weighed less than the J47 and had a lower fuel consumption, which helped the designers with weight and gave an increase in range. | |
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10-09-2005, 12:39 PM
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Country: | Can't you just sling all the information about the Australian Sabre at me, please? How did it compare to the F-86F? Speed? Ceiling? Performance at altitude? So on and so forth. And ...what the hell did it look like?
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10-09-2005, 01:00 PM
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10-09-2005, 01:02 PM
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| It looked like a Sabre but with two big gun ports not six little ones.
Commonwealth Sabre CA27
Empty Weight 12,100lb
loaded Weight 16,000ib
Max Speed 610MPH
Ceiling 55,000ft
Range with Drop tanks 1,150 miles
Thrust 7,500 lbs
Twin 30mm with 162 rounds
F86F
Empty Weight 10,890lbs
loaded weight 20,357lbs
Max Speed 600 mph
Ceiling 48,000ft
Range Drop Tanks 925 miles
Thrust 6,090 lbs
The first line say sound like a joke, but that is the only major visible difference. | |
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10-09-2005, 01:34 PM
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Country: | That's a good picture. Thanks. And thanks for the information.
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10-16-2005, 06:16 PM
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#28 | | Der Crewchief
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Country:  | Well of the two I would deffinatly go with the Sabre and I dont think that the Sabre really had much competition besides the Mig-15 at the the time and it proved what was better.
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