F86-Sabre or Cf-100 Canuck which was better? - Page 2 - Aircraft of World War II

Glider · 10-09-2005, 02:12 AM

Because the American Sabre only produces around 6000 ib thrust.

plan_D · 10-09-2005, 02:25 AM

But does the plus 1,500 lbs make up for the increase in weight? And it'd be much better with 23,000 lbs.

Nonskimmer · 10-09-2005, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

The the CL-13 was the Canadiar desigation for the Sabre

Yeah, we always have to change things like that for some reason. Like sticking the red maple leaf in the centre of the McDonald's logo. We've "Canadianized" it.

plan_D · 10-09-2005, 06:41 AM

My god ...next you'll be sticking the maple leaf in your flag and saying you're a real country.

lesofprimus · 10-09-2005, 07:11 AM

And then there goes North America...

Nonskimmer · 10-09-2005, 07:18 AM

Seriously though, we do that with a lot of things. I mean I'm a proud enough Canuck and all, but...I dunno. It just seems a bit pointless to me sometimes to have to stick a leaf on something just to make it seem home-grown to people who couldn't really care less anyway. What's the difference?

plan_D · 10-09-2005, 07:29 AM

Well, you get CJD from Canadian McDonalds ...maybe that's the difference.

Glider · 10-09-2005, 11:29 AM

The weight of a Aussie Sabre was about 10% more than an F86F, Its engine the Avon was about had about a 23% increase in thrust compared to the J47-GE-27.
This was more than enough to give a significant improvement in performance over the USA Sabre, as well as having all the extra kit.

As an aside, the Avon weighed less than the J47 and had a lower fuel consumption, which helped the designers with weight and gave an increase in range.

plan_D · 10-09-2005, 11:39 AM

Can't you just sling all the information about the Australian Sabre at me, please? How did it compare to the F-86F? Speed? Ceiling? Performance at altitude? So on and so forth. And ...what the hell did it look like?

evangilder · 10-09-2005, 12:00 PM

Here you go for some pics:

http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/s...ersarybg_1.htm

Glider · 10-09-2005, 12:02 PM

It looked like a Sabre but with two big gun ports not six little ones.

Commonwealth Sabre CA27
Empty Weight 12,100lb
loaded Weight 16,000ib
Max Speed 610MPH
Ceiling 55,000ft
Range with Drop tanks 1,150 miles
Thrust 7,500 lbs
Twin 30mm with 162 rounds

F86F
Empty Weight 10,890lbs
loaded weight 20,357lbs
Max Speed 600 mph
Ceiling 48,000ft
Range Drop Tanks 925 miles
Thrust 6,090 lbs

The first line say sound like a joke, but that is the only major visible difference.

plan_D · 10-09-2005, 12:34 PM

That's a good picture. Thanks. And thanks for the information.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 10-16-2005, 05:16 PM

Well of the two I would deffinatly go with the Sabre and I dont think that the Sabre really had much competition besides the Mig-15 at the the time and it proved what was better.

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CF-100 Canuck	2	20.00%
F-82 Sabre	8	80.00%
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10-09-2005, 02:25 AM	#17
plan_D Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11,978	But does the plus 1,500 lbs make up for the increase in weight? And it'd be much better with 23,000 lbs. __________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club.

10-09-2005, 06:41 AM	#19
plan_D Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11,978	My god ...next you'll be sticking the maple leaf in your flag and saying you're a real country. __________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club.

10-09-2005, 07:11 AM	#20
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 18,461	And then there goes North America... __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk My 1/32nd Rendition of His Corsair: http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/2-p...3-a-20416.html

10-09-2005, 07:29 AM	#22
plan_D Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11,978	Well, you get CJD from Canadian McDonalds ...maybe that's the difference. __________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club.

10-09-2005, 02:12 AM	#16
Glider Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London Posts: 3,915	Because the American Sabre only produces around 6000 ib thrust.

10-09-2005, 07:18 AM	#21
Nonskimmer Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Posts: 8,871	Seriously though, we do that with a lot of things. I mean I'm a proud enough Canuck and all, but...I dunno. It just seems a bit pointless to me sometimes to have to stick a leaf on something just to make it seem home-grown to people who couldn't really care less anyway. What's the difference?

10-09-2005, 11:29 AM	#23
Glider Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London Posts: 3,915	The weight of a Aussie Sabre was about 10% more than an F86F, Its engine the Avon was about had about a 23% increase in thrust compared to the J47-GE-27. This was more than enough to give a significant improvement in performance over the USA Sabre, as well as having all the extra kit. As an aside, the Avon weighed less than the J47 and had a lower fuel consumption, which helped the designers with weight and gave an increase in range.

10-09-2005, 11:39 AM	#24
plan_D Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11,978	Can't you just sling all the information about the Australian Sabre at me, please? How did it compare to the F-86F? Speed? Ceiling? Performance at altitude? So on and so forth. And ...what the hell did it look like? __________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club.

10-09-2005, 12:00 PM	#25
evangilder "Shooter" Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Moorpark, CA Posts: 15,420	Here you go for some pics: http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/s...ersarybg_1.htm __________________ For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return. Leonardo Da Vinci

10-09-2005, 12:02 PM	#26
Glider Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: London Posts: 3,915	It looked like a Sabre but with two big gun ports not six little ones. Commonwealth Sabre CA27 Empty Weight 12,100lb loaded Weight 16,000ib Max Speed 610MPH Ceiling 55,000ft Range with Drop tanks 1,150 miles Thrust 7,500 lbs Twin 30mm with 162 rounds F86F Empty Weight 10,890lbs loaded weight 20,357lbs Max Speed 600 mph Ceiling 48,000ft Range Drop Tanks 925 miles Thrust 6,090 lbs The first line say sound like a joke, but that is the only major visible difference.

10-09-2005, 12:34 PM	#27
plan_D Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11,978	That's a good picture. Thanks. And thanks for the information. __________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club.

10-16-2005, 05:16 PM	#28
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 34,079	Well of the two I would deffinatly go with the Sabre and I dont think that the Sabre really had much competition besides the Mig-15 at the the time and it proved what was better. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"

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