 | Jet fighters/interceptors of the sizzling 60's?| Post-War Discuss Jet fighters/interceptors of the sizzling 60's? in the Other Eras forums; Originally Posted by pbfoot
do the Brits run faster , how close is the Q to the Rwy, what are the ... |
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10-05-2008, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by pbfoot  do the Brits run faster , how close is the Q to the Rwy, what are the winds are they in limits for a tail wind take off. I don't get how the lightning is faster. Is the pilot chained to the cockpit | From a standing start to 50,000 feet the Lightning was unsurpassed, period. It was able to out climb every interceptor in its day.
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ From a standing start to 50,000 feet the Lightning was unsurpassed, period. It was able to out climb every interceptor in its day. | Does that include others as well, with twin engines?
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Originally Posted by Lucky13 Does that include others as well, with twin engines? | Yes....
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Originally Posted by syscom3 From the moment the engine was started to climb to any altitude, the Lightning had everyone beat by a considerable margin.
And when it came to intercepting a Soviet bomber at sea (I cant remember the range that was specified, but it was around 100 miles or so), the Lightning could still beat out the competition for getting out the fastest, acquire the target regardless of ground control, fire the missle and score a hit.
It was minutes better than the contenders .... F106/Falcon missle, F101/Falcon missle and F14 with Phoniex. | 100 miles might as well be overhead thats less then 10 minutes away the terminal area I worked with was that big
, intercepts hopefully in the UK took place over the water prior to entering CADIZ | 
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Country: | If the Lightning was/is as fast as you maintain (bare with me here  ), then it must have burned its fuel to almost empty, to get to the interception point or what you call it? What then? If there's was no target around when they got there, they couldn't just hang around, could they?
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Originally Posted by Lucky13 If the Lightning was/is as fast as you maintain (bare with me here ), then it must have burned its fuel to almost empty, to get to the interception point or what you call it? What then? If there's was no target around when they got there, they couldn't just hang around, could they? | Remember, these aircraft were being vectored and at the same time have very strong internal radar - they knew what they were chasing and be assured would of been able to take care of business if they were ever placed in a shooting war.
As far as the fuel consumption issue - correct, but then again their job was to get up quick, take care of business and return to do it all over again.
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Country: | Did they also have the best radar as well then, the Lightning?
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ Remember, these aircraft were being vectored and at the same time have very strong internal radar - they knew what they were chasing and be assured would of been able to take care of business if they were ever placed in a shooting war.
As far as the fuel consumption issue - correct, but then again their job was to get up quick, take care of business and return to do it all over again. | you want them up and far away nuclear debris would cause Green Peace to be a tad upset . also couldn't locate the info of Pland or Lancs ref response time that made the lightning so much "better"
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Originally Posted by Lucky13 Did they also have the best radar as well then, the Lightning? | Dont know if it was the best, but it sure was adequate for the task. The Brits know radar and systems, so I wouldn't put it past them to have fitted the Lightning with a very capable avionics package.
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Originally Posted by pbfoot you want them up and far away nuclear debris would cause Green Peace to be a tad upset . also couldn't locate the info of Pland or Lancs ref response time that made the lightning so much "better" | If it was 1983 and 20 or 30 "Bears" were approaching the British Isles, I don't Greenpeace would of been an issue.
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ If it was 1983 and 20 or 30 "Bears" were approaching the British Isles, I don't Greenpeace would of been an issue. | I agree but the further out is more optimal which gives you time to stop the one's that leak through.
I was in the Glasgow in 83 and the Greenpeace guys sure had a dim view of a Canadian who lived in Newfoundland and whose girlfiend a had a stuffed baby seal key chain True story | |
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Country: | The Brit plan at the time was to vector Lightnings to the intercept. As I recall, they trained to intercept with an offbore of about 2-3miles, initiate a turn about 7 miles ahead of the intercept and perform a high-G 180 turn to end up aft of the bomber target to begin a missile run. Remember, that head on missile attacks were highly risky of failure at this time. BAE Hawks would serve as the secondary line of defense for those that got through using GCI, short range IR missiles and Aden cannon.
It is true, that the Lightning's Achilles Heel was its range... especially at max afterburner. She was wicked quick in acceleration. The F-106 was fast. But the acceleration curve was anything but linear. IIRC the F-106 was quick to above Mach 1, but then it literally took several minutes to accelerate significantly beyond that.
Cruise missiles ended all discussion of these types of operations. As Pb said, 100mi is nothing at 600+ knots
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