 | NA F-86 vs Saab J29 -which & why?| Post-War Discuss NA F-86 vs Saab J29 -which & why? in the Other Eras forums; Originally Posted by Lucky13
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01-03-2008, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Lucky13  Not as much as I thought that it would be.....but in this business it's what can can save your life....it's still 30-40 mph faster.... Would you say that they were otherwise comparable? | I think they were close. As stated I think the J-29 might of been superior to the early Sabers but that "gap" was quickly closed.
By the time the J-29F was flying I think the F-100 and Hunter were on their way in. The J-29 was better on unpaved surfaces as seen by its UN service in the Congo.
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Country:  | How do you think that she'd managed if Sweden had sent them to Korea? True, something that was just as important as we designed new machines after the '29....be able to take off from country roads, frozen lakes etc. etc...
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Originally Posted by Lucky13 How do you think that she'd managed if Sweden had sent them to Korea? True, something that was just as important as we designed new machines after the '29....be able to take off from country roads, frozen lakes etc. etc... | I think it would of had a tough time. The MiG would of still been more maneuverable and was able to accelerate faster (The MiG weighed 5,000 pounds less on take off.), it had a way better climb rate. I show the MiG-15 being about 6 mph faster so I think for the most part speed might be even. I think the J-29 had more effective armament. Although the MiG had heavier cannons, the J-29s Hispano 20mms were perfect for a fighter of that era.
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Originally Posted by Lucky13 So the Mig-15 would have had an, well, easier time with the '29 then with the F-86 then? Or would it have been more up to the pilots? | I think pilot skill would of been able to counter some of the advantages the MiG-15 had. Swede pilots have always been considered "very good" and I would guess had they participated in the air war it would of been "pilot skill" that would of kept them at the advantage, of course this is all hypothetical.
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Country: | Sure is...thanks for taking your time with this mate, much appreciated! What's your views on the J-35 Draken/Dragon?
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Originally Posted by Lucky13 Sure is...thanks for taking your time with this mate, much appreciated! What's your views on the J-35 Draken/Dragon? | My pleasure...
J-35 - 5 minute hot rod. Take off, go fast, make a turn, land. The National Test Pilot School in Mojave Ca. Operated several. I knew a few guys who worked on them. NTPS - Welcome To The National Test Pilot School
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Originally Posted by Lucky13 Learn something new everyday here.... Well, was build for defence, so I'm not surprised. How would it compare to the F-8? | I think over all the F-8 was way better. It had combat legs, lower wing loading as well as being "combat proven." The J-35 was slightly faster and I believe climbed faster.
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Country: | Sorry about that FB...had to leave for my nightshift. So it would be fair to say that the F-8 would come out on top in mock fight then, right?
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Originally Posted by Lucky13 Sorry about that FB...had to leave for my nightshift. So it would be fair to say that the F-8 would come out on top in mock fight then, right? | Its hard to say - I'd think its performance would be similar to a MiG-21. I think the F-8 might have the advantage in the vertical although it seems the Drakken has a better advertised climb rate. Any delta configuration really looses energy in a turn so the F-8 may have the advantage there as well. The Early Drakkens had 2 cannons, later reduced to one, the F-8 had 4 guns. I do know the F-8 downed 2 MiG-21s over Vietnam and had the best kill/ loss ratio of that conflict. Again I'd go with the F-8 but
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Country: | That sound about right - I know the history Channel had a good piece about the Crusader and the book "And Kill Migs" also gives a good account of the F-8 in Vietnam.
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Country: | I have that book, but back in Sweden. Wasn't this the same guy who wrote about the Dauntless, Corsair and was on Dogfights? Or am I thinking about someone else?
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