 | Piston engine epitome?| Post-War Discuss Piston engine epitome? in the Other Eras forums; Bingo! - that's what I was looking for, thank you...
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But I think the bottom line here is an La-11 never shot down a B-29...
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ  Bingo! - that's what I was looking for, thank you...
But I think the bottom line here is an La-11 never shot down a B-29... | Bingo! it was there several posts ago.
Several posts before that I think you were saying a B-29 was NEVER damaged by an La-11, where the hell did I get that?!!! now the "bottomline" has changed  My original statement was the La-11 had its successes in Korea, downed some B-26's damaged a couple of B-29's; haven't seen any contradicting info.
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Originally Posted by JoeB Bingo! it was there several posts ago. | Please don't patronize me, you posted this link only once.. Shield of the Night Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeB Several posts before that I think you were saying a B-29 was NEVER damaged by an La-11, where the hell did I get that?!!! now the "bottomline" has changed My original statement was the La-11 had its successes in Korea, downed some B-26's damaged a couple of B-29's; haven't seen any contradicting info. | And all that is shown is a CLAIM by the 351st that they damaged a B-29. That was in your 2nd post.
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Another I would cast a vote for is the Kyushu Shinden. Very advanced for it's time, if developed it would have been a terror. Fast (nearly 500 mph in its piston engine version), heavily armed (4 x 30MM cannon) and highly maneuverable, it was almost stall proof with its canard set-up, thus forgiving to newbie pilots.
Finally, it was designed for a turbojet from the outset, by a guy who understood them. If that had've gotten going, whoowee, look out!
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01-18-2007, 10:44 PM
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01-18-2007, 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by syscom3 Skyraider. | Agree!!!
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Nope. Look at the design. Classic engine overheat.
| Agreed. Overheating in ground handling WAS an identified shortcoming of the J7W1, along with the stalky undercarriage and the dreaded torque roll at full throttle from the combination of drive shaft/engine/massive prop. But, these things were not insurmountable and even the Mersu (Messerschmidt 109), Sopwith Camel and BMW motorcycles suffered from torque-related flaws!
Keep in mind that the follow-on design, the J7W2, was expected to use a turbojet engine, the piston engine merely an expedient. 'Fact is, a jet engine was envisioned as it's rightful powerplant by the designer, Capt. Tsuruno. He was abreast of turbojet design and sample German engines were on hand which could be developed to provide all the power (and more) that the Shinden needed.
But this was about PISTON ENGINES and putting turbojets aside, projected performance with the interim radial would have put even the Mystic Mustang to the test.
The Shinden was intended as a short range, high altitude "bomber buster," as the Japanese were more concerned with that at the time than with aerial acrobatics. However, I suspect that with it's CG radial, near 0 degree dihedral, canard "pitchability" and the planned increases in control surface area ... well, your average 'Stang pilot could possibly have met his match.
And to be honest, the Shinden suffered from several other bugaboos besides the ones mentioned. Bad timing (the design concept was on the boards a few YEARS before it was ever considered for production), a lack of skilled pilots who could fly the thing, production capacity that became merely wishful thinking and a lack of decent airfields also hampered it - oh, and the A-bomb.
However, take note of the fact that I included the comment, "if developed" in my original reply. There were problems with the Shinden, indeed. But, it DID fly in WWII on an internal combustion, piston engine and was acknowledged then as a "Whew! We got lucky" moment.
Did the original post require a production aircraft with all the "bugs" worked out? I might have missed that. I only give my opinion here of what was potentially the "epitome" of piston driven aircraft. If the SHinden wont suffice, then I'll fall back on the Bearcat. Skyraider, eat your heart out.
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Originally Posted by dahut .....then I'll fall back on the Bearcat. Skyraider, eat your heart out. | Skyraiders were still in use in the mid 70's. Depending on the source, the South Vietnamese AF or Swedish AF were using them.
That was almost 20 years after the Bearcats were last in service with the French in Indochina.
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Which single engine, piston aircraft deserves the mantle of "Damn too bad it wasn't available in WW2?" A1 Sky raider? Sea Fury? Bearcat? My vote is for the Skyraider.
| Didnt ask how long it stayed in service, which country it flew for or other notable details, ad nauseum. I vote Shinden, or my fall back, Bearcat. "Zooooom!"
Skyraider, eat your heart out.
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Originally Posted by dahut Original question
Didnt ask how long it stayed in service or other notable details. I vote Shinden, or my fall back, Bearcat. "Zooooom!"
Skyraider eat your heart out. | Yea, but the Skyraider could probably lift both aircraft in weight and still carry a 2000 lb bomb load! 
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Country: | Depends on your perspective. I agree, heavy lifting by a smallish airframe is a wondrous feat. Ive always loved the A-4 for that. Can't you just see the little A-4 festooned with an full ordnance load? Awesome. But, this really is a highly subjective question, dont you think?
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