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08-07-2005, 01:48 AM
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#16 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Country:  |  Yep - and I heard he likes his drink too! 
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08-07-2005, 02:42 AM
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#17 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Country: | I found a site that has the top Isreali pilots stacked like this.....
It shows Aven Goria (Epstien) with 18 kills
06-Jun-67 Giora Aven (Epstein) Mirage IIICJ 56 Su-7 Egypt
20-Jul-69 Giora Aven (Epstein) Mirage IIICJ 82 MiG-17 Egypt
11-Sep-69 Giora Aven (Epstein) Mirage IIICJ 59 Su-7 Egypt
25-Mar-70 Giora Aven (Epstein) Mirage IIICJ 77 MiG-21 Egypt
25-Mar-70 Giora Aven (Epstein) Mirage IIICJ 77 MiG-21 Egypt
18-Oct-73 Giora Aven (Epstein) Mirage IIICJ 11 Mi-8 Egypt
24-Oct-73 Giora Aven (Epstein) Mirage IIIBJ 86 MiG-21 Egypt
24-Oct-73 Giora Aven (Epstein) Mirage IIIBJ 86 MiG-21 Egypt
24-Oct-73 Giora Aven (Epstein) Mirage IIIBJ 86 MiG-21 Egypt
19-Oct-73 Giora Aven (Epstein) Nesher 61 Su-7 Egypt
19-Oct-73 Giora Aven (Epstein) Nesher 61 Su-7 Egypt
19-Oct-73 Giora Aven (Epstein) Nesher Su-20 Egypt
19-Oct-73 Giora Aven (Epstein) Nesher Su-20 Egypt
20-Oct-73 Giora Aven (Epstein) Nesher 61 MiG-21 Egypt
20-Oct-73 Giora Aven (Epstein) Nesher 61 MiG-21 Egypt
20-Oct-73 Giora Aven (Epstein) Nesher 61 MiG-21 Egypt
20-Oct-73 Giora Aven (Epstein) Nesher 61 MiG-21 Egypt
06-Jun-67 Oded Marom Mirage IIICJ 15 MiG-19 Egypt
08-Jun-67 Oded Marom Mirage IIICJ MiG-19 Egypt
15-Jul-67 Oded Marom Mirage IIICJ MiG-17 Egypt
15-Jul-67 Oded Marom Mirage IIICJ MiG-17 Egypt
10-Dec-68 Oded Marom Mirage IIICJ 81 MiG-21 Egypt
21-May-69 Oded Marom Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Egypt
07-Jul-69 Oded Marom Mirage IIICJ 59 MiG-17 Egypt
26-Jun-69 Oded Marom Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Egypt
06-Oct-69 Oded Marom Mirage IIICJ 81 MiG-21 Egypt
25-Mar-70 Oded Marom Mirage IIICJ 15 MiG-21 Egypt
27-Mar-70 Oded Marom Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Egypt
04-Jan-70 Oded Marom Mirage IIICJ 59 MiG-21 Egypt
07-Oct-73 Oded Marom Mirage IIICJ Su-7 Syria
07-Oct-73 Oded Marom Mirage IIICJ Hunter Iraq
08-Oct-73 Oded Marom Mirage IIICJ 58 MiG-17 Syria
08-Oct-73 Oded Marom Mirage IIICJ 85 Hunter Iraq
10-Oct-73 Oded Marom Mirage IIICJ 51 Su-7 Syria
Shared Claim
06-Oct-73 Oded Marom Mirage IIICJ MiG-17 Syria
08-Jun-67 Abraham Shalmon Mirage IIICJ 68 MiG-19 Egypt
08-Jun-67 Abraham Shalmon Mirage IIICJ 68 MiG-19 Egypt
24-Feb-69 Abraham Shalmon Mirage IIICJ MiG-17 Syria
14-Jan-70 Abraham Shalmon Mirage IIICJ MiG-17 Syria
26-Feb-70 Abraham Shalmon Mirage IIICJ 83 MiG-21 Egypt Sami Marei?
08-Feb-70 Abraham Shalmon Mirage IIICJ 80 MiG-21 Egypt
27-Mar-70 Abraham Shalmon Mirage IIICJ MiG-21 Egypt
02-Apr-70 Abraham Shalmon Mirage IIICJ 68 MiG-21 Syria
16-May-70 Abraham Shalmon Mirage IIICJ 68 MiG-21 Egypt
30-Jul-70 Abraham Shalmon Mirage IIICJ 78 MiG-21 USSR
30-Jul-70 Abraham Shalmon Mirage IIICJ 78 MiG-21 USSR Shared Claim
3-Sep-73 Abraham Shalmon Mirage IIICJ 59 MiG-21 Syria
08-Oct-73 Abraham Shalmon Mirage IIICJ 19? Hunter Iraq
08-Oct-73 Abraham Shalmon Mirage IIICJ 19? Hunter Iraq
24-Oct-73 Abraham Shalmon Mirage IIICJ 33 MiG-21 Egypt
11-Oct-73 Abraham Shalmon Nesher 10 MiG-21 Egypt
19-Apr-74 Abraham Shalmon Mirage IIICJ 58 MiG-21 Syria
19-Apr-74 Abraham Shalmon Mirage IIICJ 58 MiG-21 Syria
Here are 3 aces from the Becca Valley battles in 1982...
09-Jun-82 Yoram Peled F-15A MiG-21 Syria
09-Jun-82 Yoram Peled F-15A MiG-21 Syria Not confirmed
10-Jun-82 Yoram Peled/Zvika F-15D MiG-21 Syria
11-Jun-82 Yoram Peled F-15A MiG-23 Syria
11-Jun-82 Yoram Peled F-15A MiG-23 Syria
10-Jun-82 Amir Nahumi F-16 MiG-23 Syria
10-Jun-82 Amir Nahumi F-16 MiG-23 Syria
10-Jun-82 Amir Nahumi F-16 MiG-21 Syria
11-Jun-82 Amir Nahumi F-16 MiG-21 Syria
11-Jun-82 Amir Nahumi F-16 MiG-21 Syria
11-Jun-82 Eytan S F-16A 107 MiG-23 Syria
11-Jun-82 Eytan S F-16A 107 MiG-23 Syria
11-Jun-82 Eytan S F-16A 107 Su-22 Syria
11-Jun-82 Eytan S F-16A 107 SA.342L Syria
09-Jun-82 Eytan S F-16 MiG-23 Syria
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08-07-2005, 07:19 AM
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#18 | | Minister of Whoopass
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Country: | OK i added Nahumi to the list with 5 kills, the rest I had on there...
Giora Aven had 17 kills, as I posted, AND as u posted FBJ... Count how many kills u posted... LOL....
Look at the last 3 days of Avens combat history... Multiple kill days abound...
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08-07-2005, 10:43 AM
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#19 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Country: | You're right! Up late, a few beers, well you know - 
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08-07-2005, 05:07 PM
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#20 | | Senior Member
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Country:  | Look at all the Israelis because they're fighting inferior Arabians all the time. 
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08-07-2005, 05:09 PM
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#21 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Originally Posted by plan_D Look at all the Israelis because they're fighting inferior Arabians all the time. |
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08-07-2005, 05:37 PM
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#22 | | He who does not skim
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Country:  | It's still an interesting list though. Thanks you guys. | |
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08-07-2005, 05:56 PM
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#23 | | Senior Member
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Country: | And I'm not too sure but there probably should be some Royal Navy pilots in that list from the Falklands war. Since on the first day alone 23 Argentine aircraft were shot down by the 20 Sea Harriers operating over the Falklands from Hermes and Invincible (Another 17 were lost to ground fire on that same day).
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08-07-2005, 06:07 PM
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#24 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Country: | Actually top dog during the Falklands was LtCmdr "Sharkey" Ward who commanded 801 Naval Air Squadron, HMS Invincible, during the Falklands War of April to June 1982, and was senior Sea Harrier adviser to the Command on the tactics, direction and progress of the air war. He flew over sixty war missions, achieved three air-to-air kills.
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08-07-2005, 06:14 PM
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#25 | | Senior Member
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Country: | I've heard he had up to 7 kills because there was shared kills that he gave to members of his squadron. I also know he viewed over 10 air-to-air kills.
But still 20 vs. 200. That's odds to overcome and the Sea Harrier isn't exactly the greatest dogfighter in the world. It also isn't the easiest aircraft to fly. I'd love to see these great Israeli pilots do the same. All glory for shooting down Arabs.
The fact that hardly anyone likes Arabs has nothing to do with it. 
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08-07-2005, 06:23 PM
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#26 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Originally Posted by plan_D I've heard he had up to 7 kills because there was shared kills that he gave to members of his squadron. I also know he viewed over 10 air-to-air kills. | Read the same thing - I think though, if true he would of wanted to claim the magic "5." This would of been great PR back home. Quote: |
Originally Posted by plan_D The fact that hardly anyone likes Arabs has nothing to do with it. |
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08-07-2005, 07:06 PM
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#27 | | Senior Member
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Country: | I suppose I could buy his book...
...but really, I don't want to right now.
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08-07-2005, 07:26 PM
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#28 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Country: | Cause you're probably drinking a beer!
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08-07-2005, 07:41 PM
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#29 | | Senior Member
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__________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club. | |
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08-07-2005, 07:47 PM
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#30 | | IP/Mech THE GREAT GAZOO
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Country: | Yep - I'm doing the same thing!
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