The TSR2: The Greatest Plane Never Built.

[plan_D]

Many setting themselves alight and needing to resurface to charge the batteries purposes as well.

[Nonskimmer]

Originally Posted by plan_D

Many setting themselves alight

Where's this coming from? I mean besides the recent Chicoutimi (ex-Upholder) fire, which wasn't related to the diesel aspects of the boat.

[plan_D]

I didn't actually mean to put many...where that came from, I have no idea.
I know, they have their uses...

[HealzDevo]

They do, there is a movie, 'Down Periscope' which is about a naval exercise, where using cunning the odd-ball commander of the old WW2 diesel sub manages to outwit the Commander of a USS Los Angeles Class Attack Sub. They have the advantage of being able to hide on the surface in fog and darkness if an enemy sub is detected and the noise would sound exactly like a fishing boat. Thus allowing the sub to escape close detection and sinking.

[Nonskimmer]

They certainly have their limitations as well. They need to constantly come to periscope depth, in order to "snort" to replenish their batteries and change their air, and they're not as fast as a nuke nor can they operate at the same depths.

For all of that, however, they're extremely quiet and make excellent "lying in wait" boats, if deployed correctly, and can wreak havoc on an enemy force. They make excellent harassers and patrol submarines.
Their relative small size and stealth make them ideal for intelligence gathering, supporting covert ops, drug interdiction duties, etc. They're quite well suited for inshore work as well, and they can get into areas where the nukes would have difficulty operating.

[plan_D]

They also can't be deployed as long as a Nuke submarine. A Nuke only has to come back to shore to restock its food.

[Nonskimmer]

Absolutely true. Diesels are also cramped and lack some creature comforts, but that's the life.

[Viper]

[quote="plan_D"]Yeah but your Canada, no one expects you to have good stuff. but, as usual, politicians with NO military service had their fingers in their arses. And their other hand gripping every last penny

sadly, he's right, ussually them are fightin' words.....

we have a simalar case with the Avro arrow interseptor (you should look it up) possibly a better plane than the Ts R2. Of corse our government shut it down like lots of things..

[Nonskimmer]

I don't think the ol' Arrow was actually better than the TSR2, it was just built a little sooner. There's no denying it was ahead of it's time.
When you look back to the level of expertise, capability, and pride that existed in this country back then, it all seems like such an inconceivable thing nowadays.

That's the sad part.

[Viper]

yea....it sure has gone down hill since then.

[HealzDevo]

Actually at least these subs have systems that work. They are apparently to my knowledge still getting rid of all the bugs in the Collins Class Submarines... They have more bugs in them than a cheap hotel for $1 a night. (Imagine how many bed bugs there would be there...) No, these subs do have a purpose... Seen 'Down Periscope' which is a funny movie about how a misfit crew manage to use an old US WWII Balo Class Diesel Submarine called the USS Stingray to outwit a modern atomic powered USS Orlando. It proves that if there was a bit of unconventional thinking those diesel subs could do quite a bit of damage...

[Matt308]

Hollywood... "proves". We keep seeing that more and more in our lexicon nowadays.

[HealzDevo]

Okay, Okay so it is Hollywood but they probably do have a point that a nuclear submarine crew isn't infailable when encountering a diesel submarine. Ie. there is a scene when the diesel submarine surfaces and acts like a fishing boat. Also all submarines do the trick where they utilize other vessel's wash to hide them depending on where they are...