Your favorite post-war aircraft

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in order f101b voodoo probably outclimb lightning
vulcan
f 105
f 86 mk 6 best sabre ever
f 104

[cheddar cheese]

F-101 outclimb Lightning? Id like to see that...

[FLYBOYJ]

McDonnell F-101B Voodoo Close Window

Fighter/Reconnaissance

KNOWN OPERATORS:
United States of America
Canada
China


BASIC INFORMATION:
Designation: F-101B Voodoo
Manufacturer: McDonnell
Country: United States
Service Date: 1957
Type: Fighter/Reconnaissance
Crew: 2
DIMENSIONS:
Length: 20.54 m (67 ft 4.75 in)
Wingspan: 12.09 m (39 ft 8 in)
Height: 5.49 m (18 ft)
Weight (Empty): 13,141 kg (28,970 lbs)
Weight (Loaded): 23,768 kg (52,400 lbs)
PERFORMANCE STATISTICS:
Powerplant: 2 x Pratt & Whitney delivering 6,749 kg (14,880 lbs) Afterburning thrust J57-P-55 turbojet engines.
Max Speed: 1,965 kph (1,221 mph)
Max Range: 2,494 km (1,550 miles)
Service Ceiling: 16,705 m (54,800 ft)
Rate of Climb: 11,133 m (36,500 ft) per minute


British Elelctric Lightning
Dimensions
Length 55 ft 3 in 16.84 m
Wingspan 34 ft 10 in 10.62 m
Height 19 ft 7 in 5.97 m
Wing area 474.5 ft² 44.1 m²
Weights
Empty 28,000 lb 12,700 kg
Loaded 41,700 lb 18,900 kg
Maximum takeoff lb kg
Powerplant
Engines 2 × Rolls-Royce Avon 301R turbojet engines with afterburners
Thrust 2 × 16,360 lbf 2 × 72.8 kN
Performance
Maximum speed Mach 2.27
1,500 kt 2,780 km/h
Combat range 400 miles 640 km
Ferry range 1,560 miles 2,500 km
Service ceiling 60,000+ ft 18,000+ m
Rate of climb 50,000 ft/min m/min
Wing loading lb/ft² kg/m²
Thrust/weight 0.63 lbf/lb 6.2 N/kg

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Originally Posted by cheddar cheese

F-101 out climb Lightning? Id like to see that...

initial climb rates for both aircraft are very similar both approx 50000ft/min
if not in favour of the voodoo plus the fact once the lightning used all that fuel in the climb it wouldn't be able to go very far for an intercept the lightning had no legs

[cheddar cheese]

Exactly, its an interceptor, it doesnt need to go far...

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Originally Posted by cheddar cheese

Exactly, its an interceptor, it doesnt need to go far...

both aircraft wer supposed to intercept nuke carrying bears etc with nuke weapons the further the better

[cheddar cheese]

A Lightning would be off the ground within a couple of mins from cold, I doubt the F-101 can match that, couple that to its superior climb rate and the fact that Britian isnt really that big, and you relaise that you dont really need the range, although it is useful...

I dont really have the knowledge of either plane to take this much further, where pD when you need him?

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Originally Posted by cheddar cheese

A Lightning would be off the ground within a couple of mins from cold, I doubt the F-101 can match that, couple that to its superior climb rate and the fact that Britian isnt really that big, and you relaise that you dont really need the range, although it is useful...

I dont really have the knowledge of either plane to take this much further, where pD when you need him?

i worked atc for 12years at fighter bases and the 101 was from the sound of the scramble to fl350 in 5 was the norm pretty miuch standard for nato

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i dont know if you guys will accept this a reliable source but 1972 janes states for the lightning Mk55
time to operational height and speed of mach .9 (clean condition) 2 min 30 sec
but a further interesting fact is that it can attain mach 1 @ any altitude without burners
pilots used to say the 101 was the only a/c to do this but i can't verify this

[evangilder]

I was looking into a couple of books as well and it looks like the first time the Lightining broke Mach 1 was on August 11, 1954. And he did that without the use of afterburners. The sources I have show the pilot as Roland Beaumont.
Fighter: The world's finest combat aircraft- 1914 to the present day Jim Winchester

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Of the too aircraft I like the Lightnign better.

[cheddar cheese]

Me too

[FLYBOYJ]

"Beau" Beaumont was a hell of a pilot - got this from a site about test pilots...

Roland Beaumont was born on 10th August 1920. Educated at Eastbourne College he joined the Royal Air Force on the outbreak of the Second World War. He was sent to France where he flew a Hawker Hurricane and in 1940 took part in the Battle of Britain.

"In 1942 Beaumont began testing the Hawker Typhoon and in 1944 he achieved national fame in the fight against the V1 Flying Bomb. Beaumont downed more than 30 of them. Most were shot down but on several occasions he upset their flightpath by flying alongside at 450mph and tipping them over with the wing of his Hawker Tempest.

Beaumont began testing Britain's first jet aircraft, the Gloster Meteor, in 1944. However, he crashed while flying a Hawker Tempest over France in October 1944 and spent the rest of the war in a German prison camp.

After leaving the Royal Air Force in 1947, Beaumont joined English Electric and helped develop the Canberra jet bomber. Beaumont became the first British aviator to reach the speed of sound when he flew the P86 in California in 1948.

In May 1949 Beaumont, flying a Canberra jet bomber, completed the first ever one-day double crossing of the Atlantic. Five years later he became the first man to fly the supersonic English Electric P1 Lightning. Roland Beaumont died on 19th November 2001."

[Gnomey]

Nice information Joe.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Yeap interesting.