Your favorite post-war aircraft

[syscom3]

Let the games begin

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Begin? They have already begun!

[pbfoot]

maybe i'll ask my dad about aircraft he was a licenced aircraft engineer(fitter rigger) in 1936 and he still manages to go flying once or twice a week not as pilot but passenger he went up in a stearman and tiger moth in past month

[plan_D]

You found one f*ckin' link that states the F-101 at 49,000 feet try the whole f*cking internet! They're all different!

And p*ss ant, fag boy, my father isn't the source for 50k a minute, the whole freakin' world is. Look it up for yourself, you p*ss ant. The only experience you've had with the RAF was f*ck all, you tit. No real member of any armed service would downgrade the actions of another. I'd love to watch my dad bitch slap your tiny little ass all over the biggest room on the f*ckin' planet.

You want to know his trade, f*ck wit? Aircraft electrician for 24 years, aircraft trained on? Lightning, Chinook, Nimrod, Puma, Tecano, Dominie, Chipmunk, Jet Stream, Jet Provost, Wessex, Sea King and Whirlwind.

Oi, tit boy, before you start havin' a go at the f*ckin' Lightning learn some facts. Your ***** ass little smelly c*nt wouldn't know a Lightning if it fired a Red Top up your fag arse ...no shut the f*ck up about the Lightnign before I actually get annoyed and you show everyone on here how much of a little ***** ass fag you are.

Who the f*ck do you think you are insulting my dad? A veteran of Northern Ireland, Falklands and the Gulf. He's seen more combat than you WISH you had, you fag f*ck face. I knew you were an ******* ...but I kept stumped for such a long time to give you a chance...but oh my f*ckin' god. You're just un-f*cking-believable.

[Nonskimmer]

Feel the love! Anybody else feel the love?

Nah, didn't think so.


Boys, I know we're all a little steamed right now but can we can the personal sh*t please? I'm beggin' ya! Please? [-o<

[pbfoot]

that was compulsive argument i think pissant is one word

[Nonskimmer]

Originally Posted by pbfoot

that was compulsive argument

Well whatever it was, knock it off.

[trackend]

I just got back from the shops and read PB's post.
Its not very nice to talk about a guys dad like that PB
The bells are ringing, the lights are flashing and the barriers are down but obviously there was no train coming.
Think next time PB before you start deriding a guys parents, many on here have time serving or served dads or have been around in the forces themselves.

[plan_D]

Sorry, NS, but I'm not going to tell some arsehole have a go at my dad because the arsehole in question has been proven wrong.

If anyone believes that 50,000 feet per minute is a number my dad made up, just type in "F.6 Lightning climb rate" into Google and note all those sites that say 50,000 feet per minute for the Lightning. There's a lot of them, in fact all those dedicated to the English Electric Lightning say 50,000 feet per minute.

And I have just read an interesting article on the Lightning's speed and ceiling. While it has always been known that the Lightning could reach 60,000 + feet as it's ceiling, the real ceiling was a secret. Now the exact ceiling has still not been released but pilots have been allowed to talk:

"The Lightning’s performance is excellent not just by 1950s or 1960s standards but compared with modern operational fighters. Its initial rate of climb is 50,000 ft per minute (15 km/min). The Mirage IIIE climbed initially at 30,000 ft/min (9 km/min); the F-4 Phantom managed 32,000 ft/min (10 km/min); the MiG-21 could only manage 36,090 ft/min (11 km/min); the initial rate of the F-16A is 40,000 ft/min (12 km/min), and the Tornado F-3 43,000 ft/min (13 km/min).


The official ceiling was a secret amongst the general public and low security RAF documents simply stated 60,000+ ft (18,000 m) referring to the altitude, although it was well known within the RAF to be capable of much greater heights. Recently the actual operating ceiling has been made public by Brian Carroll, a former RAF Lightning pilot and ex-Lightning Chief Examiner, who reports taking an F-53 Lightning up to 87,300 feet (26,600 m) at which level "Earth curvature was visible and the sky was quite dark". In 1984, during a major NATO exercise, Flt Lt Mike Hale intercepted an American U-2 at a height which they had previously considered safe from interception. Records show that Hale climbed to 88,000 ft (26,800 m) in his F3 Lightning. Hale also participated in time-to-height and acceleration trials against F-104 Starfighters from Aalborg. He reports that the Lightnings won all races easily, with the exception of the low level supersonic acceleration, which was a dead-heat.

Carroll reports in a side-by-side comparison that the F-15C Eagle is "almost as good, and climb speed was rapidly achieved. Take-off roll is between 2,000 & 3,000 feet [600 and 900 m], depending upon military or maximum afterburner-powered take-off. The Lightning was quicker off the ground, reaching 50 feet [15 m] height in a horizontal distance of 1,630 feet [500 m]".

In British Airways trials, Concorde was offered as a target to NATO fighters including F-15s, F-16s, F-14s, Mirages, F-104s - but only the Lightning managed to overtake Concorde on a stern intercept. During these trials Concorde was at 57,000 ft and travelling at Mach 2.2"

So, who thinks the Lightning was mediocre? Put your hand up.

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by plan_D

In British Airways trials, Concorde was offered as a target to NATO fighters including F-15s, F-16s, F-14s, Mirages, F-104s - but only the Lightning managed to overtake Concorde on a stern intercept. During these trials Concorde was at 57,000 ft and travelling at Mach 2.2"[/i]

In 1980 (I think) there were congressional hearings on the poor state of US armed forces after the botched Iran Hostage raid. Kelly Johnson testified and sited this fact as an argument to build the B-1.....

[Gnomey]

Nice info pD.

[Nonskimmer]

Originally Posted by plan_D

Sorry, NS, but I'm not going to tell some arsehole have a go at my dad because the arsehole in question has been proven wrong.

My message was directed at pbfoot as well. I know if it was my dad he'd slammed like that, he'd be thankful he wasn't within easy reach of me. I understand your response D, but lets all just let it drop from here, 'k everyone? Excellent.


Good info, by the way.

[plan_D]

Notice that the Concorde was going Mach 2.2 at 57,000 feet, ever think the RAF didn't tell anyone the truth about the ability of the Lightning? Mach 2.3 is the official speed of the Lightning - something tells me it was faster than that.

[trackend]

Ive always considered the E.E. Lighting one of the best interceptors and by all accounts there was a few tears shed at flight training school when the last one was paid off.
Everyone loved to stick on the AB's and point it skywards one instructor on the box said it was a big Spitfire with a rocket up its arse.

[cheddar cheese]

Great info pD!