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| Hptm Günther Schack, 7/JG-51, Bf 109G-6 Wk. Nr. 165559 "Yellow 13"(lost)., 780 combat missions. Shot down 15 times. Forced to bail with wounds from his "Yellow 13" on 23 October, 1941 after daylight raids over Moscow. Most likely a victim of the 34th Fighter Aviation Regt. protecting Moscow. Collided with Ofw Lothar Mai on 27 August, 1943. Mai could not extricate himself, and died in the crash. Schack was able to bring his damaged AC back to base. All victories in the East. He was Stfkpt 9/JG-51 in Dec. 1943, Kdr I/JG-51 in Dec. 1944, and Kdr IV/JG-3 in May, 1945. Served briefly in JG-27. One early Soviet victory, an I-26 on 1 March, 1942. An Il-2 on 1 August, 1942. An Il-2 on 10 August, 1942. A Pe-2 on 12 August, 1942. A Pe-2 on 13 August, 1942. A Pe-2 on 18 August, 1942. A MiG-3 on 27 August, 1942. Two Pe-2's near Stephanovka on 3 September, 1942. Two Pe-2's on 10 September, 1942. An Il-2 SE of Belojne on 15 October, 1942. Among many multiples, five Pe-2 in the Sychevka/Subzoff areas on 17 December, 1942. Four Pe-2's on 29 January, 1943. An Il-2, a LaGG-5 and three LaGG-3's on 23 February, 1943. Fw Walter Scholz, 3/JG-53, Bf 109E-4 Wk. Nr. 1325 "Yellow 13" (lost)., POW 30 September, 1940 after aerial combat over England, force landing at Langley, no report of injuries (Prien). His first victory, a Spitfire 10 km S of London on 15 September, 1940. The Aircrew Remembrance Society reported that he had three victories up to the time of his capture. Ofhr Gerhard Schwital, 15/JG-54 Fw 190A-9 Wk. Nr. 750135 "Yellow 13" (lost KIA)., KIA 24 December, 1944 over Setterich, northwest of Aachen. Ofw Heinz Seifert, 15/JG-54 Fw 190A-9 Wk. Nr. 205120 "Yellow 13" (lost KIA)., KIA 14 January, 1945 in aerial combat with a P-51 over Hunteburg, near Vörden Germany. Gefr Martin Stahlberg, 8/JG-54 Bf 109G-6 Wk. Nr. 410875 "Black 13" (lost KIA)., KIA 29 March, 1944 in a Mid-air collision with another G-6, Wk. Nr. 410136 over Lüneburg Germany. Hugo Welsch, 2/JG-54, Fw 190A-9 Wk. Nr. 205233 "Black 13" (lost MIA)., MIA 29 October, 1944 12 km northwest of Vainoda. His first known victory, a Soviet Pe-2 on 10 March, 1944. A 2nd, a Yak-9 on 16 May, 1944. A 3rd, an Il-2 on 29 May, 1944. Nos. 4, 5, 6 & 7, two Yak-9's a P-39 and an Il-2 on 30 June, 1944. Nos. 8 & 9, both Il-2's on 16 July, 1944. Nos. 10-12, an Il-2, an La-5 and a Yak-9 on 21 July, 1944. A 13th, a Yak-9 at Daugavpils on 23 July, 1944. A 14th, a Yak-9 at Daugavpils on 24 July, 1944. A 15th, a Yak-9T NE of Kreutsburg on 7 August, 1944. A 16th, an Il-2 on 15 August, 1944. Nos 17, 18 & 19, all three Il-2's on 16 August, 1944. Nos. 20-22, all Yak-9's on 15 September, 1944. Nos. 23 & 24, a Yak-9 and an La-5 on 16 September, 1944. Nos. 25 & 26, a Yak-9 and a Pe-2 on 30 September, 1944. Nos. 27 & 28, a P-39 and an Il-2 on 27 October, 1944. Another one with a interesting Wk. Nr., Ofw Heinrich Tetzlaff, 2/NJG-2 Ju 88G-6 Wk. Nr. 621313 "4R + KK" (lost MIA)., MIA 25 December, 1944 after sustaining a flak hit in his G-6 and crashing by Roermond Holland. Remaining crew (POW): Uffz Rudolf Reichelt, R/O; Ogefr Werner Kilian, Mechanic and Uffz Herbert Walter. The remaining crew were captured by the British ground troops. One known victory, a "4 mot" at St Leu on 8 July, 1944, a Fw at the time. Not a "13" but an interesting story, Hptm Walter Gerdes, Erprobungsstelle-Werneuchen Ju 88C-6 "CD + PV" (interned in Sweden)., Gerdes, with his navigator Helmer Dreilich set out on a long distance flight without official authorization to Norway. Due to a compass and radio malfunction, Gerdes decided to make an emergency landing at Virkvarn Sweden on 17 October, 1944. There he claimed he was defecting, but the nightfighter had top secret equipment onboard, and without authorization, the Germans suspected treason and wanted him shot! In a bizarre twist, another researcher suggests he was making the flight to meet with his actress girlfriend, Grete Weise, was on tour in Norway entertaining troops. The fact that he was carrying a small kit with toilet articles and wore his class "A" uniform with decorations under his flightsuit, makes the latter explanation very convincing. In fear of being returned to Germany, Gerdes unsuccessfully attempted suicide on October 18th. Dreilich asked to be returned to Germany. ...and another one, with a somewhat more sad ending., Fw Max Werner Schultz, 4/ZG-26 Bf 410A-1/U4 Wk. Nr. 420622 "3U + KM" (lost, KIA, in Sweden)., KIA 11 April, 1944 when he passed over Sövdeborg Sweden and was brought down by 40mm gunfire. The gun crew thought they were being fired upon, and observers indicated that it may heve been the AC engine backfiring that was heard, as they were attempting to land. Remaining crew: Fw Josef Kaulartz (born 1/29/1920 Frankfurt), also killed. Both were killed on impact and buried at Sövde with Swedish military honors, then re-buried at Trelleborg. And now for some completely different, Maj Hans Georg Bätcher, Stfkpt 1/KG-100, Kdr I/KG-27('41), Kdr I/KGr 100(10/43), Kdr I/KG-4(3/44), Kdr III/KG-76(9/44), He 111 in KG-4, Ar 234 in KG-76, Me 262 in KG(J)/54 at wars end., This famous bomber ace survived a higher number of combat missions (658...) than any other bomber airman in WWII, serving over France, England and Russia. Shot down at least once, into the Channel in September, 1940, and rescued by ASR. During bthe French Campaign, his He 111 was shot down by a Morane fighter, and he was a brief POW in France until his release upon their surrender. During the Siege at Sevastopol, he flew 15 missions between June 12 & 15, 1942 and 116 total! IHe was Kdr III/KG-76 in December, 1944, the worlds 1st Jet Bomber Unit. Kdr KG-54 in April, 1945. He also briefly commamded KG(J)-54 and III/KG-76 in May, 1945. His Observer was an Oblt Scholz.
__________________ ![]() JAN "Felicis Tredecim" "I´m going back to the front to relax" "THE BLACK CATS FLIES TONIGHT" "Find your enemy and shoot him down - everything else is unimportant!" "When you're out of F-8's... You're out of fighters!" ![]() Last edited by Lucky13; 08-31-2009 at 09:46 AM. Reason: Correction Seifert from A-8 to A-9. Thanks Wayne! |
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| | #527 |
| Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Adelaide Sth. Aust.
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| "Ofw Heinz Seifert, 15/JG-54 Fw 190A-8 Wk. Nr. 205120 "Yellow 13" (lost KIA)., KIA 14 January, 1945 in aerial combat with a P-51 over Hunteburg, near Vörden Germany.' A minor correction to Typo Jan....205120 is an A-9.
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| | #528 |
| Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A Swede living in Glasgow, Scotland
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| Ouch!
__________________ ![]() JAN "Felicis Tredecim" "I´m going back to the front to relax" "THE BLACK CATS FLIES TONIGHT" "Find your enemy and shoot him down - everything else is unimportant!" "When you're out of F-8's... You're out of fighters!" ![]() |
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| Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Vojvodina, Serbia
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| I'm concerned Jan, if this many 13's on one place isn't too much for you...
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| Senior Member | Good stuff Imalko, Picture 2 is flown by Walter Oesau. Picture 4 is flown by Erwin Daig. Pictures 5 and 6 were flown by Heinrich Bartels. Picture 7 is flown by Joesph Priller. Picture 9 was flown by Oberleutnant Gustav Sprick. Picture 12 is flown by Leutnant Wilhelm Crinius. Picture 14 is flown by Unteroffizier Herbert Maxis. Okay I have posted a lot so here's the website with all the profiles I've found. WW2 Aircraft Profiles |
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| Senior Member | More the Second picture is flown by Heinz Baer. Picture 3 is flown by Heinrich Bartels. Picture 5 is flown by Oberleutnant Helmut Tiedmann. Picture 6 is flown by Walther Hagenah. picture 7 is flown by Oberleutnant Werner Gerth. 8th and 9th picture is flown by Heinz Baer. Picture 10 is flown by Gunther Rall. Picture 13 is flown by Uffz. Erich Barthe. 14th pic is flown by Oberleutnant Helmut Henz. That took about an hour and a half. Jan I hope you don't have some of these...**crosses fingers. Last edited by B-17engineer; 08-31-2009 at 12:04 PM. |
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| | #532 |
| Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: London, England.
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| Yellow 13 with the red stripe on the cowling is a JG 53 crate...looks like a photoshopped model though.
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| Senior Member | Probably but it's a 13 LOL |
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| | #534 |
| Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Italy
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| Jan.. A present for you..
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| Senior Member | Nice one Ariete! |
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| | #536 |
| Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A Swede living in Glasgow, Scotland
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| Thanks guys! Some have been busy I see! Now I have to get a C.200!
__________________ ![]() JAN "Felicis Tredecim" "I´m going back to the front to relax" "THE BLACK CATS FLIES TONIGHT" "Find your enemy and shoot him down - everything else is unimportant!" "When you're out of F-8's... You're out of fighters!" ![]() |
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| Senior Member | 95-13 That was a serial number on a Cr.42 This is the unit: 95 Squadriglia, 18 Gruppo, 56 Stormo Caccia Assalto, Corpo Aereo Italiano http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/f/123/32/0 Last edited by B-17engineer; 08-31-2009 at 01:29 PM. |
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| Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Italy
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| For the CR.42s I'm looking into my archive and I'm asking to my friends..
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| Senior Member | Your lucky you have friends like that My friends don't care about things like this .... |
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| Siggy Master ![]() Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Poland
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| So it means they aren't your friends....
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