13's.... - Page 5 - Aircraft of World War II

Wayne Little · 01-03-2009, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucky13

Then the "Black 13" decals are correct for his JG5 109F-4 Wk. Nr. 13169?

Close as you're gonna get....I think....The best were done by Third Group Decals.

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Tell me, was his G-6 Trop Wk. Nr. 27169 the last one he flew before he swapped to his G-10 Wk.Nr.130359?

Don't know how many he flew after 27169, but there must have been a couple at least!

Lucky13 · 01-03-2009, 08:10 AM

Just try to figure out what....

Will see if I can find any Third Group Decals, cheers Wayne!

Lucky13 · 01-03-2009, 09:09 AM

Doesn't seem to have a website...

Any idea if the decals in question might be their 48-059 Messerschmitt BF109F`s JG 27?

Lucky13 · 01-04-2009, 11:25 AM

21/08/43: Uffz. Ulrich Wenzel, 9./JG 77, Bf 109 G-6 (Wk. Nr. 19954) "Yellow 13", 30 km off La Galite

07/09/43: Fw. Herbert Herglotz, 7./JG 1 Bf 109 G-6 (Wk. Nr. 20585) "White 13", combat with Spitfires, crashed into the North Sea - Pl. Qu. DH/EH

16/04/43: Lt. Hans-Joachim Schmidt, 8./JG 2 Fw 190 A-5 (Wk. Nr. 152705) "Black 13", fuel shortage, crashed into the sea W. Brest.

12/12/44: Gefr. Kurt Nickel, 2./JG 3 Bf 109 G-10 (Wk. Nr. 490759) "Black 13", combat.

17/12/44: Obgfr. Josef Bleicher, 4./JG 3 Bf 109 G-14 (Wk. Nr. 783881) "Green 13", combat.

27/12/44: Uffz. Gustav Aigner, 11./JG 3 Bf 109 G-14 (Wk. Nr. 464118.) "Yellow 13 + |", combat with P-47, S. Malmédy.

02/01/45: Uffz. Josef Hener, 7. (St.)/JG 4 FW 190 A-8/R2 (Wk. Nr. 682667) "yellow 13", combat, near Hagenau - Weissenburg.

10/08/43: Uffz. Alfred Leibersperger, 7./JG 5 Bf 109 G-2 (Wk. Nr. 10406) "White 13", Combat with Hampden, Pl. Qu. 014/37E, near Berveläg, 60 km n.e. of Makur.

18/12/43: Uffz. Paul Fleischhauer, 12./JG 5 Fw 190 A-3 (Wk. Nr. 5500) "Yellow 13", combat, Cap Stadlandet.

25/08/44: Lt. Hans Schwarz, 6./JG 6 Fw 190 A-8 (Wk. Nr. 171522) "Black 13", combat with P-38 near La Fère.

21/05/43, Uffz. Erwin Pieler, 6./JG 11 Bf 109 G-6 (Wk. Nr. 18208.) "Yellow 13", combat with four-engined, crashed into the sea.

26/09/44: Uffz. Walter Pyttlik, 5./JG 11 Bf 109 G-6 (Wk. Nr. 412771) "Black 13", reason and place unknown.

28/09/44: Uffz. Alfons Distelmeier, 3./JG 11 Fw 190 A-8 (Wk. Nr.173038.) "Yellow 13", near Arnhem - Nijmegen.

10/06/43: Uffz. Friedrich Cziossek 6./JG 27 Bf 109 G-4/trop (Wk. Nr. 15041) "Yellow 13 + -", combat with fighter NW Pantelleria.

26/06/44: Fw. Josef Siegmund I./JG 27, 14./JG 27 Bf 109 G-6 (Wk. Nr. 165075) "Red 13", ferry flight Angers-Greenus, combat with P-38 near Angers.

19/08/44: Gefr. Günther Arnold, 12./JG 27 Bf 109 G-6 (Wk. Nr. 413717) "Blue 13 + |", unknown reason W. Paris.

Now, you might wonder what all these pilots have in common other than flying a machine numbered "13"....these are as I understand it, still MIA. There's for the moment no list up for JG7, JG51, JG52, JG53, JG54 and JG400. Just something in my slight "obsession" with, as I said, machines numbered "13"....

Lucky13 · 01-06-2009, 09:13 PM

Does anyone have any lists over JG7, JG51, JG52, JG53, JG54 and their KIA and MIA? I'm looking for those flying "13's", not having much luck finding anything more than those that I've already posted...

Wayne Little · 01-07-2009, 04:21 AM

Will have a look at the JG 53 listings for you....

tango35 · 01-07-2009, 05:13 AM

Hey folks, why talking about decals and images when we have survivorsor restorations.
In a small museum nearby Wiener Neustadt Austria is a restorated Me 109G with a 13 marking.

Source : pbase
Enjoy Thomas

Lucky13 · 01-07-2009, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Wayne Little

Will have a look at the JG 53 listings for you....

Thanks Master Wayne, appreciated!

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Originally Posted by tango35

Hey folks, why talking about decals and images when we have survivorsor restorations.
In a small museum nearby Wiener Neustadt Austria is a restorated Me 109G with a 13 marking.

Source : pbase
Enjoy Thomas

Thanks for the pics Thomas, appreciated! I think that I might have to steal that '109....

tango35 · 01-07-2009, 06:41 AM

Do it for two reasons LOL :

Its a Messerschmitt and austrian.

T.

Lucky13 · 01-07-2009, 07:04 AM

Good enough reasons for me Thomas...

Airframes · 01-07-2009, 05:49 PM

Nice pics Thomas.

Erich · 01-07-2009, 05:53 PM

interesting Weiße 13 numeral of IV.th gruppe

Jan are you looking for photo evidence of JG 7, 51, 52, 53 and 54 ?

Lucky13 · 01-07-2009, 06:40 PM

Erich, young man....I'm looking for anything that you have about JG 7, 51, 52, 53 and 54, pilots that were KIA or MIA flying machines numbered "13", like those I've posted in #64. Other than that, ANYTHING with "13" is most welcome from you...! Was going to do Bartels G-10 "Yellow 13" Wk.Nr.130359 for the group build, but since I don't have much info on that machine, I'm waiting to do that one for a little "Group Build" of my own with his machines on a later date. Already have decals for his JG5 F-4 "Black 13" Wk. Nr. 13169, one of his JG27 G-6Trop "Red 13" Wk. Nr. 27169....so I'm halfway, I think, it all depends how many "13"'s he flew of course.

Any idea of the Wk. Nr. on his G-6/R6 13+=?

Erich · 01-07-2009, 08:17 PM

Young man ? I wish ............

I'll try and do a frei jagd for his #13 G-6

you could always do my relative Heinz Bärs Röte 13: Me 262

Lucky13 · 01-07-2009, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Erich

Young man ? I wish ............

I'll try and do a frei jagd for his #13 G-6

you could always do my relative Heinz Bärs Röte 13: Me 262

Ooh Erich, don't you worry about that....Heinz Bärs Röte 13: Me 262, that one is a must and I will get EE's decals for that one....one of the "must have" as I said.

01-03-2009, 08:10 AM	#62
Lucky13 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A Swede living in Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 17,331	Just try to figure out what.... Will see if I can find any Third Group Decals, cheers Wayne! __________________ JAN "Felicis Tredecim" "I´m going back to the front to relax" "THE BLACK CATS FLIES TONIGHT" "Find your enemy and shoot him down - everything else is unimportant!" "When you're out of F-8's... You're out of fighters!"

01-03-2009, 09:09 AM	#63
Lucky13 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A Swede living in Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 17,331	Doesn't seem to have a website... Any idea if the decals in question might be their 48-059 Messerschmitt BF109F`s JG 27? __________________ JAN "Felicis Tredecim" "I´m going back to the front to relax" "THE BLACK CATS FLIES TONIGHT" "Find your enemy and shoot him down - everything else is unimportant!" "When you're out of F-8's... You're out of fighters!"

01-06-2009, 09:13 PM	#65
Lucky13 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A Swede living in Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 17,331	Does anyone have any lists over JG7, JG51, JG52, JG53, JG54 and their KIA and MIA? I'm looking for those flying "13's", not having much luck finding anything more than those that I've already posted... __________________ JAN "Felicis Tredecim" "I´m going back to the front to relax" "THE BLACK CATS FLIES TONIGHT" "Find your enemy and shoot him down - everything else is unimportant!" "When you're out of F-8's... You're out of fighters!"

01-07-2009, 04:21 AM	#66
Wayne Little Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Adelaide Sth. Aust. Posts: 14,785	Will have a look at the JG 53 listings for you.... __________________

01-07-2009, 05:13 AM	#67
tango35 Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Hannover Region Posts: 120	13-Aviaticum-Austria Hey folks, why talking about decals and images when we have survivorsor restorations. In a small museum nearby Wiener Neustadt Austria is a restorated Me 109G with a 13 marking. Source : pbase Enjoy Thomas

01-04-2009, 11:25 AM	#64
Lucky13 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A Swede living in Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 17,331	21/08/43: Uffz. Ulrich Wenzel, 9./JG 77, Bf 109 G-6 (Wk. Nr. 19954) "Yellow 13", 30 km off La Galite 07/09/43: Fw. Herbert Herglotz, 7./JG 1 Bf 109 G-6 (Wk. Nr. 20585) "White 13", combat with Spitfires, crashed into the North Sea - Pl. Qu. DH/EH 16/04/43: Lt. Hans-Joachim Schmidt, 8./JG 2 Fw 190 A-5 (Wk. Nr. 152705) "Black 13", fuel shortage, crashed into the sea W. Brest. 12/12/44: Gefr. Kurt Nickel, 2./JG 3 Bf 109 G-10 (Wk. Nr. 490759) "Black 13", combat. 17/12/44: Obgfr. Josef Bleicher, 4./JG 3 Bf 109 G-14 (Wk. Nr. 783881) "Green 13", combat. 27/12/44: Uffz. Gustav Aigner, 11./JG 3 Bf 109 G-14 (Wk. Nr. 464118.) "Yellow 13 + \|", combat with P-47, S. Malmédy. 02/01/45: Uffz. Josef Hener, 7. (St.)/JG 4 FW 190 A-8/R2 (Wk. Nr. 682667) "yellow 13", combat, near Hagenau - Weissenburg. 10/08/43: Uffz. Alfred Leibersperger, 7./JG 5 Bf 109 G-2 (Wk. Nr. 10406) "White 13", Combat with Hampden, Pl. Qu. 014/37E, near Berveläg, 60 km n.e. of Makur. 18/12/43: Uffz. Paul Fleischhauer, 12./JG 5 Fw 190 A-3 (Wk. Nr. 5500) "Yellow 13", combat, Cap Stadlandet. 25/08/44: Lt. Hans Schwarz, 6./JG 6 Fw 190 A-8 (Wk. Nr. 171522) "Black 13", combat with P-38 near La Fère. 21/05/43, Uffz. Erwin Pieler, 6./JG 11 Bf 109 G-6 (Wk. Nr. 18208.) "Yellow 13", combat with four-engined, crashed into the sea. 26/09/44: Uffz. Walter Pyttlik, 5./JG 11 Bf 109 G-6 (Wk. Nr. 412771) "Black 13", reason and place unknown. 28/09/44: Uffz. Alfons Distelmeier, 3./JG 11 Fw 190 A-8 (Wk. Nr.173038.) "Yellow 13", near Arnhem - Nijmegen. 10/06/43: Uffz. Friedrich Cziossek 6./JG 27 Bf 109 G-4/trop (Wk. Nr. 15041) "Yellow 13 + -", combat with fighter NW Pantelleria. 26/06/44: Fw. Josef Siegmund I./JG 27, 14./JG 27 Bf 109 G-6 (Wk. Nr. 165075) "Red 13", ferry flight Angers-Greenus, combat with P-38 near Angers. 19/08/44: Gefr. Günther Arnold, 12./JG 27 Bf 109 G-6 (Wk. Nr. 413717) "Blue 13 + \|", unknown reason W. Paris. Now, you might wonder what all these pilots have in common other than flying a machine numbered "13"....these are as I understand it, still MIA. There's for the moment no list up for JG7, JG51, JG52, JG53, JG54 and JG400. Just something in my slight "obsession" with, as I said, machines numbered "13".... __________________ JAN "Felicis Tredecim" "I´m going back to the front to relax" "THE BLACK CATS FLIES TONIGHT" "Find your enemy and shoot him down - everything else is unimportant!" "When you're out of F-8's... You're out of fighters!"

01-07-2009, 06:41 AM	#69
tango35 Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Hannover Region Posts: 120	Do it for two reasons LOL : Its a Messerschmitt and austrian. T.

01-07-2009, 07:04 AM	#70
Lucky13 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A Swede living in Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 17,331	Good enough reasons for me Thomas... __________________ JAN "Felicis Tredecim" "I´m going back to the front to relax" "THE BLACK CATS FLIES TONIGHT" "Find your enemy and shoot him down - everything else is unimportant!" "When you're out of F-8's... You're out of fighters!"

01-07-2009, 05:49 PM	#71
Airframes Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 11,519	Nice pics Thomas.

01-07-2009, 05:53 PM	#72
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 11,106	interesting Weiße 13 numeral of IV.th gruppe Jan are you looking for photo evidence of JG 7, 51, 52, 53 and 54 ? __________________ Rip it up !

01-07-2009, 06:40 PM	#73
Lucky13 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A Swede living in Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 17,331	Erich, young man....I'm looking for anything that you have about JG 7, 51, 52, 53 and 54, pilots that were KIA or MIA flying machines numbered "13", like those I've posted in #64. Other than that, ANYTHING with "13" is most welcome from you...! Was going to do Bartels G-10 "Yellow 13" Wk.Nr.130359 for the group build, but since I don't have much info on that machine, I'm waiting to do that one for a little "Group Build" of my own with his machines on a later date. Already have decals for his JG5 F-4 "Black 13" Wk. Nr. 13169, one of his JG27 G-6Trop "Red 13" Wk. Nr. 27169....so I'm halfway, I think, it all depends how many "13"'s he flew of course. Any idea of the Wk. Nr. on his G-6/R6 13+=? __________________ JAN "Felicis Tredecim" "I´m going back to the front to relax" "THE BLACK CATS FLIES TONIGHT" "Find your enemy and shoot him down - everything else is unimportant!" "When you're out of F-8's... You're out of fighters!"

01-07-2009, 08:17 PM	#74
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 11,106	Young man ? I wish ............ I'll try and do a frei jagd for his #13 G-6 you could always do my relative Heinz Bärs Röte 13: Me 262 __________________ Rip it up !

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