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12-24-2008, 03:36 PM
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| 13's.... Just thought that I'd start a thread for my 13's, for questions and what not that I might have and future builds....  Kicking off with this one.... Has anyone ever seen pics or a profile of Heinrich Bartels Yellow 13+~, is this Messerschmitt an G-10 or an K-4 with Wk.Nr.130359? I think I've seen somewhere that he went MIA in it in 23 December 1944, the 109 was later be found at Villip near Bad Godesberg on 26.01.1968, with his remains inside. ...and this one, Uffz. Erich Barthel and his Bf 109G-? Blue 13+ with W.Nr.512430 should be Schoenwalde, October`44. Something for the experten and other to ponder over....  
__________________  JAN "Felicis Tredecim" "I´m going back to the front to relax" "THE BLACK CATS FLIES TONIGHT" "Find your enemy and shoot him down - everything else is unimportant!" "When you're out of F-8's... You're out of fighters!"  Last edited by Lucky13; 12-24-2008 at 03:39 PM. |
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12-24-2008, 04:12 PM
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| Bartels crate sounds familiar... Gonna have to look around for this one Jan...
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12-24-2008, 04:50 PM
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| Thinking the same; almost sure I've seen a pic recently. Will have the search started! |
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12-24-2008, 06:48 PM
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| I think I was remembering this one Jan. Bartells' Bf109G-6, 'Red 13', in the Med, end of 1943. Both pics are of this aircraft, nice detail shot of the cannon gondolas, and are from Bundes Archiv, Koblenz. The profile is fro an American 'data file' series, sent to me by Bob, the American Mossie pilot. Yes, Bartells went missing over Bonn, and was found in 1968. Hope you enjoy plenty of 'Scottish white wine' over Christmas! Cheerie pip, old fruit! Terry. |
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12-25-2008, 03:24 AM
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| Cheers chaps...!  I've got the decals for this one....I've also managed to find a somewhat small profile for his, Bartels, Yellow 13....question is though, is it correct? It's put down as a G-10. 
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12-25-2008, 03:28 AM
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| Nice photos Terry! 
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12-25-2008, 04:01 AM
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| Looks like 'Yellow 13' could be correct; very likely Bartels would have been using a G-10 by that time. I looked him up on Google, found quite a bit, but the one site that might have had an answer for 'Yellow 13' I couldn't access - connection problems. I'm still looking through my stuff, as I still think I may have a pic somewhere. |
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12-26-2008, 06:23 AM
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| I would like to see a photo that shows the 2 red bars of Bartel's Red 13, I still havent seen one..... As far as I know the Yellow 13 profile is a best guess, but has been around for quite a while.
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12-26-2008, 06:58 AM
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| Im with u on Bartels Red13 Wayne.... Anyone know what the profile used for details??? Word of mouth or a photo???
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12-26-2008, 07:43 AM
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| To be honest Dan and Wayne, I can't remember ever seen a pic of Bartels 13+= either... Hopefully, if I ask nicely, Erich will confirm his Yellow 13~ one way or another...since it's his period of expertise. Then I'd use these for numerals etc....
__________________ JAN "Felicis Tredecim" "I´m going back to the front to relax" "THE BLACK CATS FLIES TONIGHT" "Find your enemy and shoot him down - everything else is unimportant!" "When you're out of F-8's... You're out of fighters!" Last edited by Lucky13; 12-26-2008 at 07:49 AM. |
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12-26-2008, 08:03 AM
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| The twin horizontal bars were definitely used as there are at least 2 photo's showing G-6's of 12/JG 27 aircraft carrying yellow bars...
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12-26-2008, 01:03 PM
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| Don't know where the profile info came from, but I vaguley remember seeing a photo of the twin bars, years ago. Can't remember if they were red or not though. Jan, those look like useful decal sheets. Are they the Pedinghaus ones, or another company? Could do with a small 'stock' myself. |
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12-26-2008, 02:11 PM
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| Those are FCM old bean....
__________________ JAN "Felicis Tredecim" "I´m going back to the front to relax" "THE BLACK CATS FLIES TONIGHT" "Find your enemy and shoot him down - everything else is unimportant!" "When you're out of F-8's... You're out of fighters!" |
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12-26-2008, 02:23 PM
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| Thank you, will look them up and order; after New Year, when the 'hole in the wall' says 'Yes'! |
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12-27-2008, 01:35 PM
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| Haven't found much more about Heinrich Bartels and his last "Yellow 13", other than he was supposedly shot down and killed by a pilot from "Zemkes Wolfpack" 56th FG. He also seemed to have been flying with Erg./JG 26, JG 1, besides JG 5 and JG 27.
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