315sq - Aircraft of World War II

ellis995 · 08-19-2009, 02:44 PM

Hi guy's

just found some decals for my next build

. Which i am thinking of putting in the MTO GB £3.68 for Lt Horbaczewski's spitfire MK.IX

Airframes · 08-19-2009, 03:58 PM

Sounds good Keith, and a good price for a decal sheet in 1/48th scale. i think that's one of the profiles I'm digging out for you. I'll e-mail a few to you mate.
EDIT: Just checked, it is one of the profiles, think I've got a pic too. Tell you what, bung me your address in a PM, and I'll send the book on a CD, plus some other Spit books. They'll all help, as I'm sure you'll build more Spits!!

Wurger · 08-19-2009, 04:04 PM

As memo serves the Polish 315 Squadron didn't take part in operations in MTO at all. But Cpt. Horbaczewski did.Initailly as a mamber of PFT ( Polish Fighting Team) in N.Africa.The PFT was a part of 145 Squadron ( Flight C ) .Poles flown Spitfire Mk.IXs . But there are still many mistakes in almost all profiles of the PFT machines.These Spitfires had shorther air intakes to the carburetor . According to recent infos the colour of code letters was blue but not red like it was shown at the Past. Horbaczewski's Spitfire Mk IX EN459 was marked as ZX-1.Before Horbaczewski became a commander of 315 Squadron where he flown Mustang Mk.III he had been a commander of 43 Squadron on Malta and fought with the unint over Sicily and Italy.

I'm looking forward the build Keith....

ellis995 · 08-19-2009, 05:04 PM

p.m inbound Terry.

thanks wojtek you are right it was 145sq

spit MK.IX.jpgSpitfire Mk.IXc (4) 145 Polish Squadron North Africa 1943:

* EN459 ZX-1;
* EN355 ZX-O;
* EN267 ZX-5;
* EN315 ZX-6.

Airframes · 08-19-2009, 05:40 PM

Nice info Wojtek. Sounds like the book I'm sending to keith has the right details, and it shows other aircraft from the PFT too. It's interesting, as I found some decals from an old Otaki Spit kit for 145 Sqn, where the codes are red with a white outline, instead of blue, but it did date from the late 1970's, so we'll let them off! BTW, that's the first close up pic I've seen of the man.

Wurger · 08-19-2009, 05:57 PM

Also I'm not sure about the 145 squadron code letter.In one pic of Spitfire Mk.Vb trop these letters look like red comparing to the central disc of the fuselage roundel.But in pictures of taking off PFT Spitfires Mk.IX these are really a little bit lighter what can indicate the blue colour.Anyway the blue colour is correct for some reasons now...

Oh

....sorry my mistake.The profile of ZX-6 shows the Mk.IX with longer air intake to the carburetor as well.

Airframes · 08-19-2009, 06:17 PM

Ah, I meant to ask about that. The longer intake became standard, built by Vokes, and incorporating the dust filter, from mid 1944 IIRC, but was previously fitted to Spit IX's in the MTO, replacing the deep filter of the MkV, before this time. So, should these PFT Spits have the long filter, or the older, short filter? I would have thought the longer, Vokes type for the area of operations, and more so after mid '44.

Wurger · 08-19-2009, 06:17 PM

Here you are pics in that the ZX-6 can be seen.Note the early shorter air intake to the carburetor.

vikingBerserker · 08-19-2009, 08:06 PM

Very nice choice!

Why does his plane in post #3 show both Crosses and Swastikas?

Wurger · 08-19-2009, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Airframes

Ah, I meant to ask about that. The longer intake became standard, built by Vokes, and incorporating the dust filter, from mid 1944 IIRC, but was previously fitted to Spit IX's in the MTO, replacing the deep filter of the MkV, before this time. So, should these PFT Spits have the long filter, or the older, short filter? I would have thought the longer, Vokes type for the area of operations, and more so after mid '44.

As I remember from Skalski's, Król's and Arct's books ( all were PFT pilots) these Mk.IX were sent for them direct from GB.The ETO standard variant of the Spitfire wasn't very popular in the North Africa due to the lack of the dust filter like the Vokes one.Most Mk.Vb there was equipped with these.But PFT Spitfires were these of the first Mk.IXs over N.Africa.Later all wanted the mark just because of PFT successes.

Wurger · 08-19-2009, 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vikingBerserker

Why does his plane in post #3 show both Crosses and Swastikas?

The 315 squadron took part in the fight against V-1 missiles.These Swastikas are the victory masrkings for four shot down V-1s. If you look close up you will notice white symbols of V-1 missile in these swastikas.

vikingBerserker · 08-19-2009, 08:35 PM

Ahh, thanks for the education!

Wurger · 08-19-2009, 08:38 PM

You'r welcome.

Wayne Little · 08-20-2009, 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wurger

Also I'm not sure about the 145 squadron code letter.In one pic of Spitfire Mk.Vb trop these letters look like red comparing to the central disc of the fuselage roundel.But in pictures of taking off PFT Spitfires Mk.IX these are really a little bit lighter what can indicate the blue colour.Anyway the blue colour is correct for some reasons now...

Bkue is correct Wojtek, Iv'e seen a colour pic. I think it was of ZX-1, I thought I kept it but can't find it at the moment...

Airframes · 08-20-2009, 06:00 PM

Thanks Wojtek, and great pics!

08-19-2009, 02:44 PM	#1
ellis995 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Easington Lane UK Posts: 676	315sq Hi guy's just found some decals for my next build . Which i am thinking of putting in the MTO GB £3.68 for Lt Horbaczewski's spitfire MK.IX __________________ The Fighters are our salvation,but the bombers alone provide the means of victory. Winston Churchill September 1940

08-19-2009, 03:58 PM	#2
Airframes Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 9,049	Sounds good Keith, and a good price for a decal sheet in 1/48th scale. i think that's one of the profiles I'm digging out for you. I'll e-mail a few to you mate. EDIT: Just checked, it is one of the profiles, think I've got a pic too. Tell you what, bung me your address in a PM, and I'll send the book on a CD, plus some other Spit books. They'll all help, as I'm sure you'll build more Spits!! __________________ Last edited by Airframes; 08-19-2009 at 04:03 PM.

08-19-2009, 05:04 PM	#4
ellis995 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Easington Lane UK Posts: 676	p.m inbound Terry. thanks wojtek you are right it was 145sq spit MK.IX.jpgSpitfire Mk.IXc (4) 145 Polish Squadron North Africa 1943: * EN459 ZX-1; * EN355 ZX-O; * EN267 ZX-5; * EN315 ZX-6. __________________ The Fighters are our salvation,but the bombers alone provide the means of victory. Winston Churchill September 1940 Last edited by ellis995; 08-19-2009 at 05:13 PM.

08-19-2009, 05:40 PM	#5
Airframes Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 9,049	Nice info Wojtek. Sounds like the book I'm sending to keith has the right details, and it shows other aircraft from the PFT too. It's interesting, as I found some decals from an old Otaki Spit kit for 145 Sqn, where the codes are red with a white outline, instead of blue, but it did date from the late 1970's, so we'll let them off! BTW, that's the first close up pic I've seen of the man. __________________

08-19-2009, 05:57 PM	#6
Wurger Siggy Master Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 13,967	Also I'm not sure about the 145 squadron code letter.In one pic of Spitfire Mk.Vb trop these letters look like red comparing to the central disc of the fuselage roundel.But in pictures of taking off PFT Spitfires Mk.IX these are really a little bit lighter what can indicate the blue colour.Anyway the blue colour is correct for some reasons now... Oh ....sorry my mistake.The profile of ZX-6 shows the Mk.IX with longer air intake to the carburetor as well. __________________ Last edited by Wurger; 08-19-2009 at 06:07 PM.

08-19-2009, 06:17 PM	#7
Airframes Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 9,049	Ah, I meant to ask about that. The longer intake became standard, built by Vokes, and incorporating the dust filter, from mid 1944 IIRC, but was previously fitted to Spit IX's in the MTO, replacing the deep filter of the MkV, before this time. So, should these PFT Spits have the long filter, or the older, short filter? I would have thought the longer, Vokes type for the area of operations, and more so after mid '44. __________________

08-19-2009, 08:06 PM	#9
vikingBerserker Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: South Carolina Posts: 3,722	Very nice choice! Why does his plane in post #3 show both Crosses and Swastikas? __________________ "Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it" "Those who dwell in the past, condemn the future"

08-19-2009, 08:35 PM	#12
vikingBerserker Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: South Carolina Posts: 3,722	Ahh, thanks for the education! __________________ "Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it" "Those who dwell in the past, condemn the future"

08-19-2009, 08:38 PM	#13
Wurger Siggy Master Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 13,967	You'r welcome. __________________

08-20-2009, 06:00 PM	#15
Airframes Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 9,049	Thanks Wojtek, and great pics! __________________

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