Armoured Messerschmitt Bf110G-4 - Schnaufer?? - Aircraft of World War II

weinace · 09-28-2009, 05:49 AM

I am waiting for the Eduard kit to arrive and have seen reviews with images of an armoured fuselage.

I would like to build Schaufer's aircraft - I have Revell's kit with every conceivable resin correction possible - but will now wait for the Eduard kit!!!!

My question is can anyone tell me id Scnaufer's aircrfatwas armoured?

Thanks and regards,

weinace

Maximowitz · 09-28-2009, 10:52 AM

Not that I was aware of but I'll check my sources when I get home.

weinace · 10-01-2009, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maximowitz

Not that I was aware of but I'll check my sources when I get home.

Than you very much for prompt response - to be honest I did not even know that some Me110's had an 'armoured tub'!!

Warm regards,

weinace

Maximowitz · 10-01-2009, 12:17 PM

I would assume his Bf 110 had the usual armour protection provided, windscreen etc...

weinace · 10-02-2009, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maximowitz

I would assume his Bf 110 had the usual armour protection provided, windscreen etc...

From the 'test shots' it appears the armour is applique rather like the Focke-Wulf Fw190A's R7 specification
giving an 'armoured tub' appearance.
Regards,
weinace

Maximowitz · 10-02-2009, 10:07 AM

Interesting. I shall have to look through a few books this weekend for pictures that might solve this. I would have thought what with the radar and exhaust shrouds the weight penalty from additional armour would degrade the performance still further.

Airframes · 10-02-2009, 11:11 AM

Perhaps it's the applique armour around the forward, upper section of the pilot's cockpit? If so, I've got pics of this type somewhere, and the scale templates for 1/48th scale from the 'Pro Modeller' '110G I did for the Defence of the Reich GB.

weinace · 10-03-2009, 03:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Airframes

Perhaps it's the applique armour around the forward, upper section of the pilot's cockpit? If so, I've got pics of this type somewhere, and the scale templates for 1/48th scale from the 'Pro Modeller' '110G I did for the Defence of the Reich GB.

Thank you very much for your reply. What you have described sounds very much like the fuselage I saw in the kit review - the qiestion is did Schnaufer fly such an aircraft!!!!!

Regards,

weinace

Maximowitz · 10-03-2009, 08:06 AM

I've not found anything so far, but if you make a post on this forum and give it a few days I'm sure you'll get an answer:

NJG Forum

Airframes · 10-03-2009, 10:12 AM

Nope, I haven't found anything for his kite yet either, but I'll keep looking. I have a feeling there might be a pic somewhere, where the applique armour is only just visible in the highlight area of the print. Leave it with me....

Airframes · 10-05-2009, 09:58 AM

No luck! I've found some pics of at least one of Schnauffer's '110's, and of the man himself, but none with the applique armour. There is a pic of him in the cockpit of one aircarft, showing the externally armoured windscreen, but there isn't any other external armour. In fact, in all the references I have for, or including the '110, 8 or more books, I've only seen two pics showing the applique armour.

Erich · 10-05-2009, 11:04 AM

guys

really do not think he or any NJG pilot had an armored cockpit. it should not be any different than the G-2s during 43-44

E ~

beaupower32 · 10-05-2009, 11:26 AM

Only cockpit picture I found was this one where he is getting out of the cockpit after a test flight. Hope it helps a little.

Maximowitz · 10-05-2009, 04:38 PM

Checked every source I have...nothing.

Airframes · 10-05-2009, 04:56 PM

Nice pic BP, and it's a different one to the set I have, taken at night, with the rest of his crew boarding the kite.

09-28-2009, 05:49 AM	#1
weinace Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Yorkshire UK Posts: 29	Armoured Messerschmitt Bf110G-4 - Schnaufer?? I am waiting for the Eduard kit to arrive and have seen reviews with images of an armoured fuselage. I would like to build Schaufer's aircraft - I have Revell's kit with every conceivable resin correction possible - but will now wait for the Eduard kit!!!! My question is can anyone tell me id Scnaufer's aircrfatwas armoured? Thanks and regards, weinace

09-28-2009, 10:52 AM	#2
Maximowitz Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: London, England. Posts: 839	Not that I was aware of but I'll check my sources when I get home. __________________

10-01-2009, 12:17 PM	#4
Maximowitz Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: London, England. Posts: 839	I would assume his Bf 110 had the usual armour protection provided, windscreen etc... __________________

10-02-2009, 10:07 AM	#6
Maximowitz Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: London, England. Posts: 839	Interesting. I shall have to look through a few books this weekend for pictures that might solve this. I would have thought what with the radar and exhaust shrouds the weight penalty from additional armour would degrade the performance still further. __________________

10-02-2009, 11:11 AM	#7
Airframes Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 9,062	Perhaps it's the applique armour around the forward, upper section of the pilot's cockpit? If so, I've got pics of this type somewhere, and the scale templates for 1/48th scale from the 'Pro Modeller' '110G I did for the Defence of the Reich GB. __________________

10-03-2009, 08:06 AM	#9
Maximowitz Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: London, England. Posts: 839	I've not found anything so far, but if you make a post on this forum and give it a few days I'm sure you'll get an answer: NJG Forum __________________ Last edited by Maximowitz; 10-03-2009 at 08:09 AM.

10-03-2009, 10:12 AM	#10
Airframes Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 9,062	Nope, I haven't found anything for his kite yet either, but I'll keep looking. I have a feeling there might be a pic somewhere, where the applique armour is only just visible in the highlight area of the print. Leave it with me.... __________________

10-05-2009, 09:58 AM	#11
Airframes Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 9,062	No luck! I've found some pics of at least one of Schnauffer's '110's, and of the man himself, but none with the applique armour. There is a pic of him in the cockpit of one aircarft, showing the externally armoured windscreen, but there isn't any other external armour. In fact, in all the references I have for, or including the '110, 8 or more books, I've only seen two pics showing the applique armour. __________________

10-05-2009, 11:04 AM	#12
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,774	guys really do not think he or any NJG pilot had an armored cockpit. it should not be any different than the G-2s during 43-44 E ~ __________________ Rip it up !

10-05-2009, 11:26 AM	#13
beaupower32 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Charleston, South Carolina Posts: 721	Only cockpit picture I found was this one where he is getting out of the cockpit after a test flight. Hope it helps a little. __________________ The four elements: Earth, Air, Water, and Fire. Of these, I call your attention to two: Air and Fire. Though it is your privilege to live in the air, you will die by fire. Last edited by beaupower32; 10-06-2009 at 11:59 AM. Reason: Spelling.

10-05-2009, 04:38 PM	#14
Maximowitz Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: London, England. Posts: 839	Checked every source I have...nothing. __________________

10-05-2009, 04:56 PM	#15
Airframes Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 9,062	Nice pic BP, and it's a different one to the set I have, taken at night, with the rest of his crew boarding the kite. __________________

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