FW-190 A detail drawings required

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 01-17-2007, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Patrick Nevin

Hello,

Thanks for clarifying this. I bought from this gent via eBay on the declared assumption that the business was based in NZ: obviously can't comment on the stuff I haven't seen but (for what it's worth and with very limited experience of these things) the Bf109 documentation I've received has been excellent value for money.

Good forum, by the way....

Patrick

Sorry I did not respond to your other post, I did not come into this thread for a few days because I was not online much. Anyhow as for the stuff you bought, you could have gotten it for free probably because you can not have copyright on stuff that is either public domain or not yours. As in the case of Messerschmitt. Does he own the company? No. Pictures from WW2 that are all over the internet are not his either. Pictures that are in books that I have, are not his either. Pics that he has that I also have at home that were given to me are not his either.

FalkeEins · 01-17-2007, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Patrick Nevin

the Bf109 documentation I've received has been excellent value for money.

..not so the Bf 109 pictures I bought ..they were poor quality repros of images belonging to official archives...in fact I specifically asked for one knowing full well it was a Bundesarchiv photo and had been published by Jochen Prien with a BA reference....needless to say the book image was clearer than the repro I received ....I too am glad he's gone ..he got Ebay's arbitration service involved when I gave him negative feedback ...he's a bully who thinks he has copyright on any well known image just because he has a negative in his collection..

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 01-17-2007, 11:46 AM

Exactly my friends. He is nothing more than a scam.

FLYBOYJ · 01-17-2007, 12:31 PM

So with that all said, Mr. Emilian, will you please respond to my last post!

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 01-17-2007, 01:06 PM

I dont think he will.

lesofprimus · 01-17-2007, 05:39 PM

Piss on that turd... Piss on both of them....

Emilian · 01-17-2007, 06:19 PM

It is a default flag, your software says US. I work in avionics at Rockwell Collins in NZ. You can possibly see that already. Flyboy, you seem to get personal very quickly. Words in your posts like ass, jerk, stupid. You also seem willing to put other people down. I really don't think you have cause to resort to these sorts of tactics. Erich, having visited his site, I know for a fact that he does not claim copyright over any photo. He just states the source. Are the photos you refer to YOURS? I think the test of improvement is wether or not a member can speak without being abused or in this case defamed. As for me, I'm not here for the downloads, I'm here for some serious information - numbers actually, airframe and wing ordinates for the moment for the F4U-1.

Erich · 01-17-2007, 06:26 PM

if you were aware of LEMB and the 12 o'clock high discussion board then you would know of what I speak. I own prints given to me by vets before this person even had them in his "ownership". so are they mine .......... yes they are

Emilian · 01-17-2007, 06:34 PM

I'm aware of the LEMB discussion and in that case it seems like one Falke-eins has a special interest in impugning someone's reputation. I will go to 12 o'clock high and see what I can see.

FLYBOYJ · 01-17-2007, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Emilian

It is a default flag, your software says US. I work in avionics at Rockwell Collins in NZ. You can possibly see that already. Flyboy, you seem to get personal very quickly. Words in your posts like ass, jerk, stupid. You also seem willing to put other people down. I really don't think you have cause to resort to these sorts of tactics. Erich, having visited his site, I know for a fact that he does not claim copyright over any photo. He just states the source. Are the photos you refer to YOURS? I think the test of improvement is wether or not a member can speak without being abused or in this case defamed. As for me, I'm not here for the downloads, I'm here for some serious information - numbers actually, airframe and wing ordinates for the moment for the F4U-1.

Yes, you're damn right I'm ready to put other people down, especially when they were politely asked not to spam here and they came back with some BS. With that said, again I'll tell YOU directly, if you don't like it here, if you don't like any of the mods or our attitudes, or even me personally, you could go find any other sandbox to play in, the Internet is quite large - BTW, I'm one of the more mellow ones here. We don't tolerate @ssholes coming on here throwing their weight around especially if they are NEWBIES. So at this point you're more than welcome to stay and do your Corsair research but if you keep this up you will join Flug-archiv. I hope I make myself abundantly clear!

Erich · 01-17-2007, 06:47 PM

Falkeeins has stated the obvious of many a detailed and historical researcher. sorry but you are making excuses for someones site and copied material you support .........

Emilian · 01-17-2007, 07:18 PM

I have been to the 12 oclock high forum and I summarise that even the Bundesarchiv does not exclusively own the photos it has collected over the years. Further, the copyright thread really took of with many contributions from everywhere. The thread started with a negative comment directed at Flug-archiv 20, but fortunately much constructive information came from the pages that followed. Despite a bad start, Flug-archiv-20 point of view seems to be upheld - the person who owns the photo is the person who held the camera, unless specifically transfered by the owner to another party.

I am going to produce a new drawing of the F4U-1 Corsair with all measurements. I hope it will be as detailed as the work done by Arthur Bentley. Does Arthur not actually own the illustrations that he has done? I would have thought that the copyright for the illustration is his, just as the copyright for my F4U-1 drawing is mine. My copyright will be for my graphic work, not the actual design of the F4U-1 aircraft. And of course I will be very upset if in subsequent years my detailed illustration with measurements is scanned and copied into publications without my blessing before 50 years is up.

So the issue here is derivative works from an original copyright now in the public domain. Copyright law supports derivative works as a new copyright.

So far Flug-archiv 20 and another member of this forum has been a big help.

Comments please, is my new drawing of the F4U going to be my copyright when I am finished?

Erich · 01-17-2007, 07:29 PM

actually the Bundesarchiv does own copyright and the holdings are held by them. written permission to use photos and text is required as well as at the Freiburg archiv where textural materials have their own watermark at the top. I have seen the docs used in primitive form with the watermark header removed which is actually illegal. rephrasing/writing said text's is not but full admission of used texts is a no brainer when someone is publishing a bibliography

why should YOu be concerned if the a/c drawing painting be copyrighted and abused in some fashion when you have designed the linear on paper in the first place ? sorry do not see a correlation of your artistic work with ww 2 photo references or ww2 schematics pulled from German texts during the war. there is always going to be rumor especially on "Nazi" produced texts that they are no copyrights held but public domain as the Reich fell and of course copyright laws are not the same in every nation

FLYBOYJ · 01-17-2007, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Emilian

Comments please, is my new drawing of the F4U going to be my copyright when I am finished?

If you're going to post your so called "copyrighted material" on an Internet site I think you have the risk of seeing your material copied, especially if dealing with an international base. With that said, you might want to contact an attorney in your country to see what your rights are. I'd like to see what recourse you have internationally especially the time and cost to sue someone over this. In my opinion if you post material that could be "stolen" in your eyes, by placing it on the Internet with no means of protecting your work, whether it's by an embedded icon or obscuring your work with a big "COPYRIGHT" written across from it, ultimately it's your own fault for posting it in the first place...

lesofprimus · 01-17-2007, 08:49 PM

I personally hate all the copyright laws and the nerds that are sooooo very concerned about whether something of theirs is copied without permission and whatnot, especially when posted on the internet....

Why should anyone care whether or not pictures that u own be copied and circulated freely??? Does it hurt ur feelings??? Does it cost u $$$ when some Fw 190D fan puts ur pic up at a WW2 message board???

Oh, u want noteriety??? U want ur props??? Hows this for props:

Or better yet....

And if that doesnt cover all ur inner desires to be someone important whose name travels the globe millions of times a month, heres one final hurrah for the copyright holders who cry if their sh!t gets "illegally" spread....