FW-190 A detail drawings required

[Emilian]

If I draw something, then it is my property and if you copy it without my permission or without the permission of the person I sell it to, then you have stolen something. It is that simple. There are a million ways something can end up on the internet without my permission. But the person who put it there has basically stolen it. In the real world, people get away with this because it would cost real money to take you to court. Theft is theft, it is a moral thing.

If I have an old photo that I bought in a junk shop, it does not mean that I am allowed to copy it. But in the real world, I could copy it without penalty because the person who actually shot it has probably passed away.

If later find that the old photo is also in someone elses collection, I can not claim exclusive ownership, and nor can the other person. So both myself and the other person have equal rights to copy it.

A museum can not claim ownership because they did not shoot the image, they have just assumed custodianship. They have the right to copy but do not have ownership. Anyone who has the same antique negative or photo can copy it as they like.

I have put a lot of work into my drawing of the F4U and yes, it has cost me something. Before I am finished it will cost me a lot more too. I do expect to get my money back plus some for having done it. Same as Arthur Bentley etc.

lesofprimus, uurr little animation of AH is funny. Did you make it yourself? You are basically saying that you will steal stuff and spread it around however you like. Because the moderators of this discussion are not cautioning you, it is beginning to sound like this forum is encouraging people to disrespect other people's property and the official position is that it is ok to defame too.

Also FLYBOY, an art work does not have to have copyright plastered all over it for it to be illegal for you to copy it. Whether or not a copyright thief ends up counting the cost infringement is dependent on whether or not the copyright owner has the financial means to prosecute.

[lesofprimus]

lesofprimus, uurr little animation of AH is funny. Did you make it yourself? You are basically saying that you will steal stuff and spread it around however you like. Because the moderators of this discussion are not cautioning you, it is beginning to sound like this forum is encouraging people to disrespect other people's property and the official position is that it is ok to defame too.

Since ur obviously not bright enough to realize it, I am a moderator, one of the mosre senior ones at that, and ur entire post read something like this....

"Blah blah blah blah..."

Heres some of the words u used in ur above post....
MY
Permission
Permission
Sell
Permission
Stolen
Allowed
Ownership
Ownership
Steal
Property
Copyright
Illegal
Copyright
Thief
Infringement
Copyright
Financial
Prosecute

Are u that much of a self involved @sshole??? "Im important, look at me... Get my permission or else..."

What a lame @ss...

I have done several drawings myself, and have posted them freely across the web.... Do I care what others do with them???

No....

And I would steal any copyrighted picture if I could and spread them across the globe in the hopes that I would in some way shape or form help educate the masses and invite the millions of planet monkeys that have no idea what aviation in WW2 was like....

Its greedy @ssholes like urself that make this world so much more difficult to get through.... Why dont u go give urself an enema, cause ur obviously so jammed up full of sh!t, ur eyes are turning brown....

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by Emilian

Also FLYBOY, an art work does not have to have copyright plastered all over it for it to be illegal for you to copy it. Whether or not a copyright thief ends up counting the cost infringement is dependent on whether or not the copyright owner has the financial means to prosecute.

You're right - and in your case I don't think you have the financial or MENTAL means to do any of the above - as Les put it you're a greedy bastard who's a "legend in his own mind." This is your last warning - drop this issue or else I'm gonna ban your ignorant ass!!!!

[bomber]

I find the actions of certain 'Moderators' deplorable...

How do I get to be a moderator as I feel I too can act like a spoilt child... so who's dick did lesofprimus suck to get the job ?

Simon

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by bomber

I find the actions of certain 'Moderators' deplorable...

How do I get to be a moderator as I feel I too can act like a spoilt child... so who's dick did lesofprimus suck to get the job ?

Simon

You just got an infraction - this situation did not concern you. Another outburst like this and you're banned permanently.

[GADGET]

I can not believe what I am reading here.

What went wrong and when?

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by GADGET

I can not believe what I am reading here.

What went wrong and when?

For the benifit of concerned readers....

Several of our members reported another member who runs an ebay business for spamming. He posted 7 repetitive posts plugging his site. he was POLITELY told not to spam this site. He came back and starting bitching about copyrighted material. As the correspondence continued I could see I was dealing with utter stupidity so he was banned. Later on Mr. Emilian started on the same bandwagon and he was warned, later he got a dose of "Les." Mr Bomber thought it was appropriate to respond in kind so now he's temporarily gone.

This site is for the benefit of the membership to discuss and share WW2 aviation data, and that is a main point of the technical forum. None of us are making money on this sharing of information. There are some individuals who feel they have birth right to some of this material and feel because they "acquired" such material they should be recognized or paid for their acquisition. Either way I leave that to the lawyers but at the same time we will not be bullied or intimidated by these wanna-bees who feel they need to be recognized for their self-proclaimed greatness.

Now with that said, I'm giving a waring to anyone who disrespects ANY moderator - shut your mouth or you're gone. At this point I'd like this thread to get back on track or else I'm going to lock it.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by bomber

I find the actions of certain 'Moderators' deplorable...

How do I get to be a moderator as I feel I too can act like a spoilt child... so who's dick did lesofprimus suck to get the job ?

Simon

If you do not like this forum, please go someplace else. No one is keeping you here.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I will say it for the last time. Pictures from WW2 that Flug what ever his name is was selling were not taken by him, therefore they are not copyrighted.

As posted by other members who have bought from him they were copies anyhow and very low quality copies at that.

So for the record, if anyone here including yourself Emilian who really loves this flug guy from EBAY go and find the forum that he is trying scam on and post there. NO ONE IS KEEPING YOU AT THIS FORUM!

[bomber]

I thought I was entitled to an opinion...

As I read the board, although I've not made any comment up to that moment I still considered that I was involved...

I don't think the actions of some of the moderators has been as good as it could have been... their attitude has been poor, the abuse unwarranted and if you want to ban me for saying it then by all means it's your board you can do as you wish...

But don't for one minute think that you can intimidate me into silence by threats of a ban....

Up till now I've thought this board populated by folk with a common hobby and interested, who treated each other with respect..

The moderators can if they wish prohibit the post that, they have... and for the reason they have... which I actually agree with... However there's a right way, a dignified way to go about it and this thread isn't an example of it...

Ban me for saying it... ban me for critisising the attitude of a moderator.. but if you do ban me, it's says more about you than me.

Simon

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Only people that warrant get that treatment. If someone is a respectable member of the forum then they get treated with respect and 99 percent of the people in this forum do.

However I dont feel that we have to explain ourselves so I will leave it at that.

If you wish to stay here that is great, you can contribute and learn and teach like the rest of us. If you dont like it here, you can leave.

[FLYBOYJ]

Originally Posted by bomber

I thought I was entitled to an opinion...

You are - but I will not tolerate you making comments to a moderator in the manner you did especially if this issue did not concern you. As stated the Internet is very vast, pick your url and fly away if you don't like it here...

[Erich]

the whole stinking basis for this thread was done on consideration of a seller on e-bay whom was selling his wares on this very forum..........a no no

thus the rules were broken. Certain individuals have taken sides some unwisely and that is fine. but we have had an overload of spammers recently which have taken a banning on a permanent basis in immediate fashion.

the thread should now be closed, everyone has made their point although we are not agreeing...........back to aircraft gents

happy trails. write the mods a private if you would please if you desire a personal venting ......... not on here

[bomber]

Originally Posted by lesofprimus

Piss on that turd... Piss on both of them....

My point here is that as a moderator one should be moderating...

And it seems to me that if you give me a warning for

"Reason:
-------
Inappropriate Language"

Then Lesofprimus deserves one as well, and it needs to be public.

There has never been a successfull extinguishing of a fire by pouring on petrol, and that's all that has occured here... the flame on this thread is a direct result of poor moderating..

Look at the thread, read it and then tell me it couldn't have been handled better... and if you do decide to ban me it's for reminding you that Moderators should be under the same rules as everyone else on this forum...

And not for disagreeing with your actions to ban the individual or your reasons for doing so.

Respect.

Simon

I'm sorry if this upset you guys but moderators should have the bottle to moderate each other, and have the respect to accept being moderated when it's called for, we're all human afterall.

[Erich]

let it go man, past is past, move on ...........