2 British Soldier's Killed in Northern Ireland - Aircraft of World War II

Gnomey · 03-08-2009, 04:21 PM

Very sad to hear, thought we were over and past this a long time ago. Good to see it being condemned from all sides though.

2 Soldiers killed whilst collected pizza from outside their barracks. 2 civilians injured (pizza delivery guys). Real IRA claim responsibility.

Soliders were killed execution-style as they lay on ground in Ulster outside Massereene Barracks, Antrim
Real IRA says it killed soldiers outside barracks in Antrim
BBC NEWS | UK | Northern Ireland | 'Real IRA was behind army attack'
BBC NEWS | UK | Northern Ireland | Antrim shooting: Political reaction

Erich · 03-08-2009, 04:21 PM

Gnomey

you would know better than I but will it ever end ?

Gnomey · 03-08-2009, 04:25 PM

There will always be those that will use violence to attempt to achieve their aims even if they have no support in the community. There are evidently some of these deluded and crazed people still around and as long as they are I think there will be a small number of similar attacks on an infrequent basis (last British soldier was killed in Northern Ireland in 1997).

BombTaxi · 03-08-2009, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Erich

Gnomey

you would know better than I but will it ever end ?

Most people thought it had ended Erich. The saddest part is the warnings had abounded for several months that a Republican attack of this sort was likely, but these warnings were dismissed as scaremongering and being obstructive to peace...

We must not put the army back out on the streets though. That would undo everything that has been achieved in recent years.

rochie · 03-08-2009, 04:28 PM

nothing but pure bloody murder perpetrated by common criminals who hide behind patriotic ferver and wish to prolong the "troubles" to suit their criminal activities

BombTaxi · 03-08-2009, 05:25 PM

Pretty much rochie. The criminal elements on both sides need to be dealt with, the old Republican/Unionist divide is often just a facade for organised crime these days.

rochie · 03-08-2009, 05:27 PM

totaly agree BombTaxi

Matt308 · 03-08-2009, 08:01 PM

Aahhh... good Lord. Why must violence always be the solution. My sympathies to the soldiers families. Very unfortunate, unnecessary and ... frankly evil.

timshatz · 03-08-2009, 10:02 PM

Expect to see more of this sort of thing. While it may be the IRA now, it is bound to pick up in other places as well. Part of our unsettled economic world. Groups looking for an opportunity to "go active" see now as a good time. These guys are thugs, nothing more. And opportunist as well. Ireland is in the middle of a tough time. And tough times are the best times.

pbfoot · 03-08-2009, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by timshatz

Expect to see more of this sort of thing. While it may be the IRA now, it is bound to pick up in other places as well. Part of our unsettled economic world. Groups looking for an opportunity to "go active" see now as a good time. These guys are thugs, nothing more. And opportunist as well. Ireland is in the middle of a tough time. And tough times are the best times.

Yeap so many things changing so fast but also religion is a pox on society

Ferdinand Foch · 03-08-2009, 11:15 PM

D@@@it, I thought this was all in put behind us. I thought Ireland was moving on to a new, prosperous, future. I mean, I would like to see a united Ireland before I die, but not at this cost. It's freedom fighting, it's plain terrorism. My prayers are with the familes of the two English soldiers.

Soundbreaker Welch? · 03-09-2009, 04:47 AM

Yeah it's a shame it comes around now, the biggest Irish Holiday, St. Patricks Day. I hope it doesn't become a pattern.

I have some Irish blood in me, and I wish the troubles in Ireland would cease.

I now it's not just the Britains fault for being there, the half of Ireland they own has more British inclined people anyway. If they left, bad things could happen. I do think Ireland could survive on it's own, sort of a former commonwealth, like Australia, but I don't think it's going to happen.

The IRA need to understand this, and stop doing these brutal things.

Sadly, it does remind you of Iraq, where terrorists destroy the country to get the kind of government they want. I do feel in Iraq the terrorists are a bit stupid, since Obama is pulling most of the troops out the next few years, and the Iraqis will have to take care of themselves.

Sadly, terrorists like Al Qaeda want a very drastic goverment change, with Sharia Law included and intolerance to "infidels" no doubt. That's even more drastic than what the IRA wants I think.

Let's hope Scotland stays quiet at least.

Heinz · 03-09-2009, 10:28 AM

to the soldiers

Like the others have said, so much progress has been made and I hope that holds firm.

RabidAlien · 03-09-2009, 12:32 PM

There's always a few bad apples to ruin it for everyone. Hopefully that's all it is....a couple of die-hard holdouts, not a prelim to a resurgence in the violence. My prayers for the families of all those involved.

proton45 · 03-09-2009, 12:36 PM

now I've seen everything...retro terrorism.

PS I don't think it was the "IRA"...it was a splinter group that broke off from the IRA when peace was found.

03-08-2009, 04:21 PM	#1
Gnomey "World Traveller" Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Royal Deeside/St Andrews, Scotland, UK Posts: 15,218	2 British Soldier's Killed in Northern Ireland Very sad to hear, thought we were over and past this a long time ago. Good to see it being condemned from all sides though. 2 Soldiers killed whilst collected pizza from outside their barracks. 2 civilians injured (pizza delivery guys). Real IRA claim responsibility. Soliders were killed execution-style as they lay on ground in Ulster outside Massereene Barracks, Antrim Real IRA says it killed soldiers outside barracks in Antrim BBC NEWS \| UK \| Northern Ireland \| 'Real IRA was behind army attack' BBC NEWS \| UK \| Northern Ireland \| Antrim shooting: Political reaction __________________ "Success is not Final, Failure is not Fatal, it is the Courage to Continue that Counts" Sir Winston Churchill "To him the People of the World Largely owe the Freedom and Liberties they Enjoy Today" Enscription on Hugh Dowding's (AOC Fighter Command 1936-40) statue in London WW2 Talk: A WW2 Discussion Forum My Photo Collections on Flickr

03-08-2009, 04:25 PM	#3
Gnomey "World Traveller" Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Royal Deeside/St Andrews, Scotland, UK Posts: 15,218	There will always be those that will use violence to attempt to achieve their aims even if they have no support in the community. There are evidently some of these deluded and crazed people still around and as long as they are I think there will be a small number of similar attacks on an infrequent basis (last British soldier was killed in Northern Ireland in 1997). __________________ "Success is not Final, Failure is not Fatal, it is the Courage to Continue that Counts" Sir Winston Churchill "To him the People of the World Largely owe the Freedom and Liberties they Enjoy Today" Enscription on Hugh Dowding's (AOC Fighter Command 1936-40) statue in London WW2 Talk: A WW2 Discussion Forum My Photo Collections on Flickr

03-08-2009, 04:28 PM	#5
rochie Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: billingham nr middlesbrough uk Posts: 3,107	nothing but pure bloody murder perpetrated by common criminals who hide behind patriotic ferver and wish to prolong the "troubles" to suit their criminal activities __________________ "We're not easily frightened. Also we know how hard it is for an army to cross the Channel — the last little corporal to try it came a cropper. So don't threaten or dictate to us until you're marching up Whitehall! ...and even then we won't listen!" quote from B.O.B movie

03-08-2009, 05:25 PM	#6
BombTaxi Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Brownhills, W. Mids, UK Posts: 1,189	Pretty much rochie. The criminal elements on both sides need to be dealt with, the old Republican/Unionist divide is often just a facade for organised crime these days. __________________ Good generals think about tactics. Great generals think about logistics. "If freedom is to be saved and enlarged, poverty must be ended. There is no other solution." - Nye Bevan "Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to ask for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee" - John Donne, Meditation XVII

03-08-2009, 05:27 PM	#7
rochie Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: billingham nr middlesbrough uk Posts: 3,107	totaly agree BombTaxi __________________ "We're not easily frightened. Also we know how hard it is for an army to cross the Channel — the last little corporal to try it came a cropper. So don't threaten or dictate to us until you're marching up Whitehall! ...and even then we won't listen!" quote from B.O.B movie

03-08-2009, 04:21 PM	#2
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,772	Gnomey you would know better than I but will it ever end ?

03-08-2009, 08:01 PM	#8
Matt308 aka Dickcheese Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Washington State Posts: 13,382	Aahhh... good Lord. Why must violence always be the solution. My sympathies to the soldiers families. Very unfortunate, unnecessary and ... frankly evil. __________________ "Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the [U.S.] Marines don't have that problem." -- Ronald Reagan Master of Duplicate Posts

03-08-2009, 10:02 PM	#9
timshatz Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Phila, Pa Posts: 3,446	Expect to see more of this sort of thing. While it may be the IRA now, it is bound to pick up in other places as well. Part of our unsettled economic world. Groups looking for an opportunity to "go active" see now as a good time. These guys are thugs, nothing more. And opportunist as well. Ireland is in the middle of a tough time. And tough times are the best times.

03-08-2009, 11:15 PM	#11
Ferdinand Foch Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Stafford Springs, Connecticut Posts: 510	D@@@it, I thought this was all in put behind us. I thought Ireland was moving on to a new, prosperous, future. I mean, I would like to see a united Ireland before I die, but not at this cost. It's freedom fighting, it's plain terrorism. My prayers are with the familes of the two English soldiers. __________________ "It is my considered opinion that in the fullness of time history will record the greatness of Michael Collins, and it will be recorded at my expense." -Eamon de Valera. "Better to fight for something than live for nothing." -George S. Patton. "I don't know what the effect of the men will have on the enemy, but, by god, they frighten me." -Arthur Wellesley.

03-09-2009, 04:47 AM	#12
Soundbreaker Welch? Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 1,893	Yeah it's a shame it comes around now, the biggest Irish Holiday, St. Patricks Day. I hope it doesn't become a pattern. I have some Irish blood in me, and I wish the troubles in Ireland would cease. I now it's not just the Britains fault for being there, the half of Ireland they own has more British inclined people anyway. If they left, bad things could happen. I do think Ireland could survive on it's own, sort of a former commonwealth, like Australia, but I don't think it's going to happen. The IRA need to understand this, and stop doing these brutal things. Sadly, it does remind you of Iraq, where terrorists destroy the country to get the kind of government they want. I do feel in Iraq the terrorists are a bit stupid, since Obama is pulling most of the troops out the next few years, and the Iraqis will have to take care of themselves. Sadly, terrorists like Al Qaeda want a very drastic goverment change, with Sharia Law included and intolerance to "infidels" no doubt. That's even more drastic than what the IRA wants I think. Let's hope Scotland stays quiet at least. __________________ "His motor's conked out!" "What's the differance, they're all Nazis!" "Luke, shut up!" "Fear the hook!" "Oh.....I wanna fly." "You mean the kind that go under water and fly up the stairs?" "What you doing? Oh Nooooo!" Last edited by Soundbreaker Welch?; 03-09-2009 at 04:58 AM.

03-09-2009, 10:28 AM	#13
Heinz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Posts: 6,731	to the soldiers Like the others have said, so much progress has been made and I hope that holds firm. __________________

03-09-2009, 12:32 PM	#14
RabidAlien Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Hurst, Texas Posts: 2,825	There's always a few bad apples to ruin it for everyone. Hopefully that's all it is....a couple of die-hard holdouts, not a prelim to a resurgence in the violence. My prayers for the families of all those involved. __________________ Pillage, then burn. Argue not with dragons, for thou art crunchy and go well on toast. Last edited by RabidAlien; 03-09-2009 at 12:39 PM.

03-09-2009, 12:36 PM	#15
proton45 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 414	now I've seen everything...retro terrorism. PS I don't think it was the "IRA"...it was a splinter group that broke off from the IRA when peace was found. Last edited by proton45; 03-09-2009 at 12:38 PM.

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