Ahmadinejad refuses to rule out nuclear weapons.

[Erich]

sorry Amsel will tell you no-one tells or thinks for Israel they will do what they feel necessary given the time and place.

[Amsel]

Yes sir, agreed. I just hope that we can support them during these increasingly dangerous times, when alliances are shifting.

[PJay]

It's political posturing. No Iranian gov saying 'Peace with Israel' would last long.
Parallels. Argentine gov and the claim on the 'Malvinas'
Spanish gov and Gibraltar.
Israeli gov stopping expansion into Palestine territory.
Ahmadinejad wouldn't bomb Israel because much of Iran would be turned into radioactive glass if he did.
Mad? Remember Ronald Raygun and his 'evil empire' comments? JOKING about bombing Russia?
I worry more about Pakistan, a place with nukes AND delivery systems which is about as stable as a tower of Jello.

[Colin1]

Khamenei seems a little keener to deny them than his president

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Khamenei 'rejects' nuclear bombs

[stasoid]

Originally Posted by PJay

I worry more about Pakistan, a place with nukes AND delivery systems which is about as stable as a tower of Jello.

Agreed 100%.
Pakistan with its nukes is like a monkey with grenade - half population can not read and write, radical movements and absolute poverty makes this country more dangerous to the World then Iran and North Korea combined.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by stasoid

Agreed 100%.
Pakistan with its nukes is like a monkey with grenade - half population can not read and write, radical movements and absolute poverty makes this country more dangerous to the World then Iran and North Korea combined.

You just described North Korea and Iran as well, so I dont understand your point.

At least Pakistan is not threatening to destroy its neighbors like Iran is.

[PJay]

It's polemic. You don't believe what politicians say, do you?

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by PJay

It's polemic. You don't believe what politicians say, do you?

Who me?

Does or does not Iran and N. Korean threaten their neighbors with nuclear war?

Aren't both nations people living in poverty?

Do or do not both nations have radical movements (Iran the most in this case...).

Both nations have very high illiteracy rates.

So again how are they different from Pakistan in the case. At least Pakistan does not threaten a scorched earth on its neighbors. I agree that Pakistan is a real problem and threat to stability in the region and world, but how are they worse than Iran or N. Korea. The only way I see is if a Nuke falls into the wrong hands. N. Korea or Iran having nukes is already in the wrong hands.

[PJay]

Pakistan actually has nukes and missiles. I'd think NK and Iran are actually more stable.

[Erich]

stable ? hardly with those 2 clowns in charge, all they have to do is mis pms once and who knows what they are capable of.

lets clear the air about your bullshit about Israel taking over more phillistine/palestinian lands shall we, take a nice long visit and see first hand what is going on, Chris named it well, the folks are brutally poor due to their own inactivity and those they elected in charge.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by PJay

Pakistan actually has nukes and missiles. I'd think NK and Iran are actually more stable.

Keep living in a fantasy world buddy.

Just because someone has Nukes does not mean they are going to blow everyone to hell. Based off of this last post of yours, the USA, England, France, Russia, China are all unstable....

So again I ask you these questions (and please stop skirting around the facts).

1. How is Pakistan less stable than Iran and N. Korea?
2. When has Pakistan threatened to blow anyone to hell and back just for the hell of it?
3. Do Iran and N. Korea not threaten to blow everyone to hell and back on a regular basis?
4. Does Iran and N. Korea have a pretty radical government?
5. Are Iran and N. Korea not made up of a large population base that lives in poverty?

So lets see. Iran and N. Korea have radical governments, people living in poverty, and openly threaten to destroy their neighbors, and are actively pursuing nuclear weapons and you think they are stable????

[B-17engineer]

Just something you guys would like to see....

[PJay]

1. I think the Pak gov is more likely to fall than NK or Iran. Leaving useable nukes to whoever grabs them.
2. THIS Pak gov no. See above answer.
3. Yes. Posturing and polemic. See previous posts.
4. They both exaggerate an external threat to stay in power. I don't like either of them but I worry about Pakistan more. Iran's recent election was probably as valid as the recent Afghan election.
5. Surely the average wage of a country is not what we're discussing?

Edit. Nice picture. What makes you think it's actually true?

Erich, I said that an Israeli gov which SAID it was going to stop expansion wouldn't last long.
What any gov says and what a gov does are different.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by PJay

5. Surely the average wage of a country is not what we're discussing?

No but people that living in poverty with very little education are more likely to believe and follow a radical government.

Originally Posted by PJay

Edit. Nice picture. What makes you think it's actually true?

Do you actually believe that Iran is not trying to make nuclear weapons? Seriously...

[B-17engineer]

Exactly. What Adler said. They have the resources, well the Uranium part for that matter.