Ahmadinejad refuses to rule out nuclear weapons.

[stasoid]

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

You just described North Korea and Iran as well, so I dont understand your point.

At least Pakistan is not threatening to destroy its neighbors like Iran is.

Pakistan is not thretening - it's acting - terrorizing its neighbor India, hosting terrorist training camps on its own soil, supplying jihadists all over the world, weather it's Chechnya, Bosnia, Afganistan, Iraq, you name it.

Living standards are very low - GDP per capita somewhere around 2.500USD. Compare it to 12.000USD GDP per capita in Iran.

Literacy rate in Iran is close to 80%, to the best of my knowlege they have science and industry over there, when most of Pakistanis live literaly in caves, only 30% of women can read and write.

Iran has oil, so, it's future is bright. What does Pakistan have? A bunch of hungry pesants leading a 16th century lifestyle? They have nothing to lose, really.

The problem with Iran is only its current leadership. Once it's changed they have good chances to become a prosperous and peaceful country.

Same with N Korea - hardworking peaceful people like South Koreans. Their regime will eventually evolve into a moderate and more open, something like China today.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by stasoid

Pakistan is not thretening - it's acting - terrorizing its neighbor India, hosting terrorist training camps on its own soil, supplying jihadists all over the world, weather it's Chechnya, Bosnia, Afganistan, Iraq, you name it.

You just described Iran and N. Korea again. Go read up on the history of these nations and look at all they have done. Some of it will probably churn your stomach.

Besides India does the same to Pakistan. It is a two way street over there...

Originally Posted by stasoid

Literacy rate in Iran is close to 80%, to the best of my knowlege they have science and industry over there, when most of Pakistanis live literaly in caves, only 30% of women can read and write.

I seriously doubt that it is 80%. The majority of the country does not live in big cities. They live in small towns, women have no rights. The people are illiterate enough to fall into the arms of the radical clerics.

Originally Posted by stasoid

Iran has oil, so, it's future is bright. What does Pakistan have? A bunch of hungry pesants leading a 16th century lifestyle? They have nothing to lose, really.

Iran has no future until it lets go of the radical clerics ruling it. Until it gets rid of its policy of nuclear destruction of Israel and destabilizing the region, it has no future...

Originally Posted by stasoid

The problem with Iran is only its current leadership. Once it's changed they have good chances to become a prosperous and peaceful country.

You just described any country in the world.

Originally Posted by stasoid

Same with N Korea - hardworking peaceful people like South Koreans. Their regime will eventually evolve into a moderate and more open, something like China today.

Maybe in the future. But we are in the now. At this moment, N. Korea is one of the most destabilizing, volotile and aggresive nations in the world. They have already started one war, almost re-started on almost a yearly basis, and with its leadership is a time bomb ready to go off. Hopefully it will not...

[PJay]

DerAdler, I'm probably over-cynical about Western Intell reports. But i remember 'Iraq's WMDs' and the US/Russki 'Missile Gap' and 'Bomber Gap'.

[Amsel]

I am always surprised to hear that likely intelligent people actually think that Hussein did not have WMD's.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by PJay

But i remember 'Iraq's WMDs

So do, I was over there. You say, don't believe everything the govt. tells you (you are correct), but also don't believe everything the press tells you...

[PJay]

Iraq certainly HAD WMD's but I read that they had been buried under roads etc.
They were notable by their absence in Gulf War 2.

[Vassili Zaitzev]

They still have them. If the Iraquis could bury a Mig in the desert, how hard do you think it is to bury half a dozen crates of sarin gas?

[Erich]

PJays the things are documented well enough in photos, we gave them ample time to bury and move to places like Syria, this is all known fact. We have covered this several times on this forum during the last party over there...........

[Maestro]

There is something on the fire and I don't like the smell of it...

Does anyone else sees WWIII coming up or is it just my very imaginative mind ? Iran wants to attack Israel, Israel will retaliate with help from the US, Pakistan and all other Muslim countries will throw their men into the battle yelling : "Allah Akbar ! Jihad ! Jihad ! JIHAD !"

India, who never liked Pakistan, will not miss its chance to attack it. The British Commonwealth will surely jump in to protect their old colony. North Korea will probably try to make some gains using the back door, with help from China. And Russia, in such a situation with their Tsaristic leader, will surely try to invade East-Europe (may be even the whole God damn continent).

I don't like this at all...

[Ferdinand Foch]

Maybe your right Maestro, but it's still too early to speculate (still to many what if's, not enough clarity in the situation, least that's what I think).
Still, I doubt the UN will do anything about trying to stop this escaluation until it literally comes up and bites them in the a@@.

[B-17engineer]

I think Maestro though, that one bomb as said before isn't an arsenal. So Israel will blown Iran off the map with no necessary help.

[Maestro]

Originally Posted by Ferdinand Foch

Still, I doubt the UN will do anything about trying to stop this escaluation until it literally comes up and bites them in the a@@.

Yeah... Just like the good ol' SDN with Hitler.

"Hitler can't rearm, he doesn't have the right to..."

*Poland falls*

"Hitler has rearmed ! We must do something !"

*Holland falls*
*Belgium falls*
*France falls*

[evangilder]

The UN is worthless and corrupt. Don't expect them to do anything that would be for the good of the world. They have too many agendas that are often anti-west. One only needs to have seen the highlight reel from this weeks UN love-fest to see that nothing is really going to happen aside from lip service. The UN provided a global stage for despots like Ahmadinejad and Ghaddafi.

I wish we would have launched a second strike on Libya when we had a chance. While strike 1 shut Ghaddafi up for a while, he's back, and just as venomous. Erich, your velodrome needs an annex.

[lesofprimus]

Agreed 100% Eric....

Im actually kinda surprised that the Mossad has not actually taken matters of State Security to the right level... Terminate this fu*ker and get back on track..

[parsifal]

Nearly all the western nations are saying that the UN is outdated and so cumbersome as to be unworkable. Our PM has been pushing to transfer international fiscal management to the G-20. Everyone is saying that the UN cannot do its job anymore.

I never had much faith in the UN, but short of running around bullying everyone with regional agreements, and the rule of the gun, I cannot see a viable alternative soon. Perhaps running the world affairs from the G-20 is the best alternative, as it is these tin pot nothing countries that cause most of the problem. Even though ther have been disagrements with Russia, France and the like, these are at least dialogues. Gaddafi and Im a nut job dont want constructive dialogue. I thihnk the best way to deal with these suckers is to not deal with these suckers....even if that means paying more for oil. These guys need us more than we need them. And a for "police actions" or "peacekeeping", the G-20 nations provide 99% of the resources anyway, so who cares about these tin pot countries