Another collision... - Aircraft of World War II

Colin1 · 02-16-2009, 04:15 PM

...this time at sea

BBC NEWS | UK | Nuclear subs collide in Atlantic

BombTaxi · 02-16-2009, 04:30 PM

I would put a fiver on a game of 'tag' leading to this little bump. It's just as well it was a low speed incident, or we could have lost 240 very skilled seamen

Loved the typically OTT reaction from the CND, one day they will have a mouthpiece who knows what they are talking about...

timshatz · 02-16-2009, 04:58 PM

Aren't these guys supposed to "hide with pride"?

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 02-16-2009, 06:49 PM

Thank god there were no injuries or deaths.

ccheese · 02-16-2009, 07:39 PM

I agree, I'll bet it was a game of tag....

Charles

Arsenal VG-33 · 02-17-2009, 12:39 PM

Given how it could have potentially been a disaster, I'm glad there were no injuries. Still it begs the question, at least for me it does: what are two nuclear attack subs doing by playing cat-n-mouse? I thought this was more the line of work for sub hunters, unless they were trying to avoid a collision and bumped anyway.

fly boy · 02-17-2009, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

Thank god there were no injuries or deaths.

thank god nukes didn't go off

evangilder · 02-17-2009, 12:44 PM

There are a ton of safeguards to prevent that fly boy. Nukes don't just "go off". There have been times when nuclear weapons have fallen off of aircraft and they did not go off either. They aren't anything like conventional weaponry.

SoD Stitch · 02-17-2009, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evangilder

There are a ton of safeguards to prevent that fly boy. Nukes don't just "go off". There have been times when nuclear weapons have fallen off of aircraft and they did not go off either. They aren't anything like conventional weaponry.

evan said it; there is a certain sequence of events that need to take place in order for a nuclear weapon to initiate, they are actually fairly complicated pieces of weaponry (fortunately). You could even blow a nuclear weapon up with conventional explosives (from the outside), and all you'd do is scatter the fissile material all over the place, there would be no nuclear reaction.

Soundbreaker Welch? · 02-17-2009, 08:40 PM

I'm suprised that nobody was hurt. They were all very, very lucky, or blessed.

fly boy · 02-19-2009, 12:24 PM

well in wartime condision

Vassili Zaitzev · 02-19-2009, 02:08 PM

Still flyboy, there are a lot of safeguards to prevent nukes from going off. There was a midair collosion a while back(maybe someone can help me with this), four nuclear bombs fell from the aircraft and hit the ocean, not one went off.

fly boy · 02-20-2009, 12:29 PM

one of the crome dome b-52s failed and one bomb still has not been found

Catch22 · 02-20-2009, 03:46 PM

You just proved everyone else's point.

RabidAlien · 02-23-2009, 10:50 PM

Heh. Well...dunno much about the French submarine force, but we did play some wargames with the British and Australian forces back when I was in. Subs from different countries get together fairly regularly (every year or so) to play cat-n-mouse wargames with each other. How else are you going to get any good at tracking other subs? Especially subs that don't sound (underwater) exactly like yours do? You test yourself against other, friendly, nations. But I digress. No offense to my British and Australian friends here, but the two subs we played against could barely find the ocean!

Perhaps they had an inexperienced crew, or someone figured their math wrong, but accidents do happen.

And for the record, "it is not the policy of the US Navy (can't speak for anyone else) to carry nuclear weapons except in time of war". The expense of maintaining them, guarding them, and safekeeping the crews is just waaaaay too prohibitive. As for them blowing up, think of a nuke as a really big chunk of C-4. You can light it, beat it with a sledgehammer, shoot it....it just ain't gonna go boom unless you trigger it the right way. The rest is classified.

02-16-2009, 04:15 PM	#1
Colin1 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,766	Another collision... ...this time at sea BBC NEWS \| UK \| Nuclear subs collide in Atlantic

02-16-2009, 04:30 PM	#2
BombTaxi Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Brownhills, W. Mids, UK Posts: 1,189	I would put a fiver on a game of 'tag' leading to this little bump. It's just as well it was a low speed incident, or we could have lost 240 very skilled seamen Loved the typically OTT reaction from the CND, one day they will have a mouthpiece who knows what they are talking about... __________________ Good generals think about tactics. Great generals think about logistics. "If freedom is to be saved and enlarged, poverty must be ended. There is no other solution." - Nye Bevan "Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to ask for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee" - John Donne, Meditation XVII

02-16-2009, 06:49 PM	#4
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,152	Thank god there were no injuries or deaths. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

02-16-2009, 07:39 PM	#5
ccheese Older Than Dirt Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Beach, Virginia Posts: 7,309	I agree, I'll bet it was a game of tag.... Charles __________________ I can only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look good either....

02-17-2009, 12:39 PM	#6
Arsenal VG-33 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 312	Given how it could have potentially been a disaster, I'm glad there were no injuries. Still it begs the question, at least for me it does: what are two nuclear attack subs doing by playing cat-n-mouse? I thought this was more the line of work for sub hunters, unless they were trying to avoid a collision and bumped anyway. __________________ You'll live. Only the best get killed. - Charles de Gaulle England is a former colony gone horribly wrong. - Georges Clemenceau

02-16-2009, 04:58 PM	#3
timshatz Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Phila, Pa Posts: 3,446	Aren't these guys supposed to "hide with pride"?

02-17-2009, 12:44 PM	#8
evangilder "Shooter" Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Moorpark, CA Posts: 14,809	There are a ton of safeguards to prevent that fly boy. Nukes don't just "go off". There have been times when nuclear weapons have fallen off of aircraft and they did not go off either. They aren't anything like conventional weaponry. __________________ http://www.vg-photo.com For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return. Leonardo Da Vinci

02-17-2009, 08:40 PM	#10
Soundbreaker Welch? Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 1,893	I'm suprised that nobody was hurt. They were all very, very lucky, or blessed. __________________ "His motor's conked out!" "What's the differance, they're all Nazis!" "Luke, shut up!" "Fear the hook!" "Oh.....I wanna fly." "You mean the kind that go under water and fly up the stairs?" "What you doing? Oh Nooooo!"

02-19-2009, 12:24 PM	#11
fly boy Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 853	well in wartime condision __________________

02-19-2009, 02:08 PM	#12
Vassili Zaitzev Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Stafford Springs, Connecticut Posts: 2,221	Still flyboy, there are a lot of safeguards to prevent nukes from going off. There was a midair collosion a while back(maybe someone can help me with this), four nuclear bombs fell from the aircraft and hit the ocean, not one went off. __________________ "Never was so much owed by so many to so few"- Winston Churchill.

02-20-2009, 12:29 PM	#13
fly boy Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 853	one of the crome dome b-52s failed and one bomb still has not been found __________________

02-20-2009, 03:46 PM	#14
Catch22 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Posts: 4,293	You just proved everyone else's point. __________________

02-23-2009, 10:50 PM	#15
RabidAlien Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Hurst, Texas Posts: 2,827	Heh. Well...dunno much about the French submarine force, but we did play some wargames with the British and Australian forces back when I was in. Subs from different countries get together fairly regularly (every year or so) to play cat-n-mouse wargames with each other. How else are you going to get any good at tracking other subs? Especially subs that don't sound (underwater) exactly like yours do? You test yourself against other, friendly, nations. But I digress. No offense to my British and Australian friends here, but the two subs we played against could barely find the ocean! Perhaps they had an inexperienced crew, or someone figured their math wrong, but accidents do happen. And for the record, "it is not the policy of the US Navy (can't speak for anyone else) to carry nuclear weapons except in time of war". The expense of maintaining them, guarding them, and safekeeping the crews is just waaaaay too prohibitive. As for them blowing up, think of a nuke as a really big chunk of C-4. You can light it, beat it with a sledgehammer, shoot it....it just ain't gonna go boom unless you trigger it the right way. The rest is classified. __________________ Pillage, then burn. Argue not with dragons, for thou art crunchy and go well on toast.

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