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10-29-2007, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet  Until Pearl Harbor it was not America's war. Did Britian run over and help us out in Vietnam? No because it was not there war...
That is why it was a pretty dumb statement.
Ofcourse you can do that now.
Hind sight is allways 20/20. 
It became one but before then it was Europes problem. It was Europes job first to clean up there own continent.
That is a very dumb way to look at it. Why the hell should the UK not pay for the products that were made by US citizens. The UK would have made the US pay for them as well. Its called a debt. The money to make those things had to come from somewhere.
No worries. Discussions can get heated sometimes but dont lose any sleep over it.
No you are not seeing the Big Picture here.
As Joe has stated. The US Government paid to have those planes and tanks and guns and equipment built and sent to England, Russia, and slews of other countries. Therefore when the US Government paid for these things it raises a debt because the money could just not come from nowhere. (Money does not grow on trees). Therefore if our allies were not paying the money back it would the be the US Tax Payers (citizens like Me, Joe, Dan, Erich, Eric, Matt, etc...) that would be paying for that out of our pockets even today.
Is the US Tax Payers having to pay for it really that fair when the equipment was not for our fighting soldiers?
Because it was not our war. It was Europes war at the time.
I think you need to learn your history a bit more. The Germans were weaker than France and England at the start of the war. Even German Generals warned Hitler that if the English and French attack from the west they could defeat Germany.
Also to say they were not prepared is pretty foolish as well. Germany had started to remilitarize years before WW2. As early as 1933 Germany started showing signs of aggression. Who was appeasing the Germans? Was it the US? No it was England and France. Germany was building up for war right in front of there eyes and they new it.
The US was in no position to go to war in 1939. We had a very small military at that point that was very outdated. It takes time to build and Army, modernize it and get over the damn ocean.... | Would you quit calling me dumb and I didn't say Germany was unprepared I said Britain and France were.
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10-29-2007, 10:21 PM
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10-29-2007, 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Aussie1001 oh boy...... | You're kidding right 'cause I was.
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10-29-2007, 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Instal Would you quit calling me dumb and I didn't say Germany was unprepared I said Britain and France were. | Mr Instal..You have not been around here to long..Theres some old boys who REALY know there history ..And DerAdler is one of them.. FlyBoyJ and PlanD also..And if you come across "strong willed" ..As you "did"..You best know your facts and history..Because they will carpet bomb you..They realy pride them selves on the facts..And you even got me into it..And I do not do that ..I use to "think" that I knew about war history and all...Until I came here..And if you read my posts ...I will ask why on stuff and bring a small peace of info to a post..But sit back and learn around hear most days..So if your sure on your facts and want to charge the gunners nest ..Do so ..But you may get cut to peaces..
And being called dumb ..Thats nothing ..One of my first few post PlanD called me F#$%khead or F@#$kstane ..LOL...So dumb was light..
And you didn't even try to torpedo my last post..???..And I'm ez to sink..A few of these guys realy know there stuff ...Your going to need a little more armor if your going to play these are the "facts"...
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10-30-2007, 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Haztoys And being called dumb ..Thats nothing ..One of my first few post PlanD called me F#$%khead or F@#$kstane ..LOL... | You just have to love pd - he's such a jawdropping a**hole! 
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Originally Posted by Instal Would you quit calling me dumb . | I was not calling you dumb. I was calling the post or the way of looking at it dumb. I am sorry if you took it the wrong way.
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Originally Posted by Instal and I didn't say Germany was unprepared I said Britain and France were | Go back and read my post. I said that France and Britian together were prepared to do something about Germany. England itself was not prepared to fight Germany on her own but combined with France they could have. Germany was not ready in 1939 to fight both France and England. If France and England had acted in 1939 and invaded from the West Germany would not have been able to continue there conquest of Poland and possibly would have folded.
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10-30-2007, 08:44 AM
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Did I ? At least you didn't get put off the site.
"You just have to love pd - he's such a jawdropping a**hole!"
I am an as*hole.
"I said that France and Britian together were prepared to do something about Germany. England itself was not prepared to fight Germany on her own but combined with France they could have. Germany was not ready in 1939 to fight both France and England. If France and England had acted in 1939 and invaded from the West Germany would not have been able to continue there conquest of Poland and possibly would have folded."
I do not disagree with this statement but it should be realised that it was not up to Britain to make the decision. If France had gone into Germany in 1939, Britain would only have been able to support it in air and sea.
The British Army would have been a good supporting unit but the French Army would always been the main driving force so it would have been up to them if the invasion of Germany would have happened or not.
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10-30-2007, 09:18 AM
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#38 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by plan_D I do not disagree with this statement but it should be realised that it was not up to Britain to make the decision. If France had gone into Germany in 1939, Britain would only have been able to support it in air and sea.
The British Army would have been a good supporting unit but the French Army would always been the main driving force so it would have been up to them if the invasion of Germany would have happened or not. | Agreed
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10-30-2007, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by plan_D "And being called dumb ..Thats nothing ..One of my first few post PlanD called me F#$%khead or F@#$kstane ..LOL...So dumb was light.."
Did I ? At least you didn't get put off the site. | I did stop me coming to the site ..  ..Over that and a a$$ kicking about some info I had read about the agreement the Israeli agreed at the start of them becoming a country..That a$$ handing was by Erich..But I could not find the info again..But last month I did find the info on what I was trying to say..Once I get my copyer fixed ..I'm going to mail a copy to Erich and see what he thinks about it..And I'm a bad speller and that realy does not go over well here..
Its all good ..Not complaning about it..Not at all..I realy injoy the differant point of view from around the world..And its scary what were not told and the twisted up info we are..And my best freind is for Britain..He's from Leeds..And F#%$K is a verb in England..I've come to see..LOL..PlanD I'm realy impressed with your armor ,tank and ground war info..
Its nice to just be a student in a forum some times.. I play in some car and bike forums and I have all the info ..So its nice to just learn some time ..Sorry if I have gone off topic.. | |
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10-30-2007, 10:48 AM
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I apologise if I may have driven you from the site in anyway...I don't remember calling you anything ..oh well, I forget things in a pico-second normally.
And thanks, I'm always aiming to learn more...I have a serious problem with wanting to know about warfare from all eras - and studying aerospace engineering at the same time.
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11-03-2007, 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Haztoys Mr Instal..You have not been around here to long..Theres some old boys who REALY know there history ..And DerAdler is one of them.. FlyBoyJ and PlanD also..And if you come across "strong willed" ..As you "did"..You best know your facts and history..Because they will carpet bomb you..They realy pride them selves on the facts..And you even got me into it..And I do not do that ..I use to "think" that I knew about war history and all...Until I came here..And if you read my posts ...I will ask why on stuff and bring a small peace of info to a post..But sit back and learn around hear most days..So if your sure on your facts and want to charge the gunners nest ..Do so ..But you may get cut to peaces..
And being called dumb ..Thats nothing ..One of my first few post PlanD called me F#$%khead or F@#$kstane ..LOL...So dumb was light..
And you didn't even try to torpedo my last post..???..And I'm ez to sink..A few of these guys realy know there stuff ...Your going to need a little more armor if your going to play these are the "facts"... | If you were sitting beside me when I typed "would you quit calling me dumb" you would have seen a smile on my face. I certainly did not intend to infer that I was being slighted. Sometimes it is difficult to type with the intended inflection. I guess I better use more smilies  Haztoys you are absolutely right when you say there are allot of guys here that really know thier history however if you read my post I said "I may have my facts wrong here so slam away". Are you suggesting that if I do not have all the facts about a particular topic that I should not write any posts? I do not know much about forums and as you pointed out I am pretty new around here but wouldn't that make for a pretty boring forum? And no offense but if I want to brush up on my history I'll read a book. 
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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ I'll have you know I had all my shots! | ...Uncle you got me on that one ...LOL... | |
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11-04-2007, 01:31 PM
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....most of the time!
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