British Sailors seized by Iran.

mkloby · 03-31-2007, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by renrich

Mkloby, of course you are right in your post on impeachment but Congress alone has the power to declare war. Of course now we are not in an officially declared war, which would give the President more powers than he currently has. If Bush were to send troops to aid Britain in any action against Iran, he could never get the Congress to agree to that action. Then the Dems would claim he declared war without the required consent of Congress and I have no doubt that they would start impeachment proceedings. In fact, I have no doubt that if the Dem leadership thought they had the votes they would start the impeachment process today and unfortunately there would be some Republicans who would back them.

I'm more of the position of screw the war powers act. The democrats think that each one of them is a mini commander in chief...
Legislature has the authority to declare a state of war - not to conduct war. They have power of appropriation - if they want to cease a conflict, cut off funding.

renrich · 03-31-2007, 02:54 PM

I agree with you Mkloby about your opinion of the war powers act but I am not sure that the dems are trying to micro-manage the war but rather use the Iraq situation as a club to beat Bush with and to try to gain more power. If the dems win the presidency and still control congress it will be interesting to see how they conduct this war against radical islam. The dems keep saying that the people in the US want the US out of Iraq now as proven by the midterm elections. I do not believe that is true of the majority of American voters. I think they are unhappy with the progress of the war but most know the danger of pulling out prematurely. What is frustrating to me is that all this political BS that is going on here where the dems are trying to maneuver for votes is giving encouragement to our enemies.

timshatz · 03-31-2007, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by renrich

I agree with you Mkloby about your opinion of the war powers act but I am not sure that the dems are trying to micro-manage the war but rather use the Iraq situation as a club to beat Bush with and to try to gain more power. If the dems win the presidency and still control congress it will be interesting to see how they conduct this war against radical islam. The dems keep saying that the people in the US want the US out of Iraq now as proven by the midterm elections. I do not believe that is true of the majority of American voters. I think they are unhappy with the progress of the war but most know the danger of pulling out prematurely. What is frustrating to me is that all this political BS that is going on here where the dems are trying to maneuver for votes is giving encouragement to our enemies.

Good post Ren. As somebody once said about another politician, "He doesn't care which way the bus is going, as long as he is driving". Same can be said of a lot of the Dems in Congress, especially the far left bunch.

Erich · 03-31-2007, 03:55 PM

we have talked previously many times if the US pulls out of the mideast what recourse action the mideastern foes will take. Jihad will blow open wide .........

someone wrote me from Israel this morn saying that the head dildo in Tehran is now personally involved with the capture of the British and that he claims the British knew they were in Iranian waters and must suffer the consequences.......whatever that means.

mkloby · 03-31-2007, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Erich

we have talked previously many times if the US pulls out of the mideast what recourse action the mideastern foes will take. Jihad will blow open wide .........

someone wrote me from Israel this morn saying that the head dildo in Tehran is now personally involved with the capture of the British and that he claims the British knew they were in Iranian waters and must suffer the consequences.......whatever that means.

There've been reports of an persian ambassador talking of trying them for trespassing or something to that effect. Said amb. subsequently denied that there is thought of a trial. I'd like to see how those in Britain that support a foreign policy with the strength of a 1 legged puppy react... I'm sure they'd still have an enlightened reason to not have ANY sort of military response.

Matt308 · 03-31-2007, 04:34 PM

I say give the Iranians what they want.

bomber · 03-31-2007, 05:44 PM

Well to answer my critics..

There's a right time for everything... and it's not after a couple of days...

In the Cold war with Russia, when they captured an American agent did you Americans make a big issue of it ?
No of course not, because it's not the way to get them back..

We are not at war... whatever you read. War I gather is a lot rougher... shouldn't you guys know that ?

The battlelines are being drawn, the oponents are taking sides,, don't rush into this.. and don't any American or Canadian or whoever think that the Brits are soft, timing is everything.

We Brits are made of stronger stuff, and right now it takes a strong man to stay talking... but when the **** hits the fan you can bet your house on us being in the middle of it.. it's not going to take us 2 years to get involved.

Yes I'm intelligent....(I can't spell tho) probably more than some of those calling for us to launch an attack.. I guess those are the breaks

Simon

Ajax · 03-31-2007, 07:13 PM

The Iranians wouldn't opt for a trial because the evidence isn't sufficient on their part for the trial to seem fair. And as long as the British media are involved, the foreign office won't be as fickle as to let this go.

Erich · 03-31-2007, 07:14 PM

and I say B.S. to you man, we are at war !!!!! .............. you better wake the F up

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 03-31-2007, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by bomber

We are not at war... whatever you read. War I gather is a lot rougher... shouldn't you guys know that ?

And how rough is it over there? How would you know? Got news for you buddy it is a war over there and Iraq and Iran are just part of the picture. Please before you go thinking you are the all knowing being about how rough some place is, go there and learn first hand what it is is like there at the moment because you obviously dont have a clue.

It just really annoys me that people that are not there adn have not been there think they know what is like and what is going on. You dont get half of it from the news...

plan_D · 03-31-2007, 07:43 PM

The United Kingdom of Great Britain is weak.

The last time the British government stood up to be counted was in 1982 when Prime Minister Thatcher ordered our fleet to the Falklands. That was a simple case of "the mouse that roared", when a mouse roars it gets squashed. But now a rat, Iran, has roared and Britain has found no guts inside itself, all that British spirit has been dilluted and the passion of "Rule Brittania" is gone. Iran has squared up and Britain is backing away.

The world is laughing at us, and I don't blame them. This country is full of people who act twenty when they're thirteen and act twelve when they're twenty. They believe bravery is fighting in the street, and call themselves soldiers because they carry a knife. But when the real world looks upon them, the people either hide or call for the U.S.

The people who call for the U.S are the same people that "hate" America. They don't know why but they live off some stupid idea that Americans are loud, so they're as*holes. They don't realise they are the arrogant ones, at least America has a reason to be arrogant. We shout ... but can't bite.

The only country really left in this world that will stand up for what is right in its own eyes, whether you like it or not, is America. Even if you don't agree with the U.S foreign policy AT LEAST it's got the balls to put force behind its beliefs. Britain hasn't. We're cowards! We go on and on about British spirit that's unbreakable, it's not 1940 anymore! We've lost that spirit, it's all half caste babies and Manchester Utd. now.

Matt308 · 03-31-2007, 07:51 PM

The British economy is the 5th largest in the world. Their military is the 28th. In 1990, the RAF had 90,000 personnel. Today they have 40,000. America, The United States, the US of A would fall on its sword for the UK.

Not sure if the UK would do the same for us based upon what I read.

The UK and the US are the last bastions. If we fall. We ALL fall.

Ajax · 03-31-2007, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt308

The British economy is the 5th largest in the world. Their military is the 28th. In 1990, the RAF had 90,000 personnel. Today they have 40,000. America, The United States, the US of A would fall on its sword for the UK.
Not sure if the UK would do the same for us based upon what I read.

The UK and the US are the last bastions. If we fall. We ALL fall.

- Our military is a shambles. We would still follow the USA though, just look at Iraq. Only our attempt would be pitiful compared to size of the Marines.
- The Germans should be able to fight, but they're not allowed. Hasn't that treaty bitten us on the arse?
- Oh and one British aircraft carrier (the name escapes me), due to 'monetary restrictions' only has enough fuel for one of it's engines so limps around at half speed. How sad is that?
- There may be much patriotism here, but if you went to Britain, I think you would (unfortunatley) be suprised at how dissapointment there is in the government and country as a whole.

Matt308 · 03-31-2007, 08:42 PM

Well. Irrespective. We have your back.

bigZ · 03-31-2007, 09:02 PM

Have to agree with some of the comments from Plan D and Ajax. Patriotism is for a football and not a nation. Christ on a recent quiz in my place of work they didn't even know that the BOB was fought with planes(not to mention which war it was!!!!). But ask some trival sh%t about Liverpool and Everton FC......

I see David Beckham is now flying the flag for British masculinity in the US along with his skinny pouting and very talented wife(Proudly admitted once she had never read a single book in her life after publishing her autobiography).

"Well. Irrespective. We have your back. `" Cheers Matt