British Sailors seized by Iran.

mkloby · 03-24-2007, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by lesofprimus

Doesnt ur country have ship launched cruise missles Gnomey???? Ol' Blair needs to drop in some SAS and get some...

I would be personally embarressed if a similar situation happened to the US and we stood by and did nothing.

For the brits: do the majority of the British realize how weak a "non-response" would make them look internationally? What's actual public sentiment in the UK - not the media reported sentiment?

trackend · 03-24-2007, 06:19 AM

My opinion is that at the moment the right action is being taken charging in with all guns blazing is a last resort not a first if re patriating the personel without a big stick works then I feel thats fine.
The whole thing should not of happened in the first place. if the vessel was not in Iranian waters as is claimed ( I cant believe their GPS is that bad) then they should have the right to prevent boarding IE: blow the crap out of anyone attempting it, the politicians are and always have been a thorn in the side of the forces although they instigate actions they tend to start dictating operational policies and that is just making the job harder still.
Locating and rescuing captured personel requires planning and I am sure that this is currently in action so if required a ready to deploy team will be gend and tooled up. The regiment have a rota of stand too so I suspect a team will already be within the zone of conflict.
But as I say I would prefer a peaceful solution.

mkloby · 03-24-2007, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by trackend

My opinion is that at the moment the right action is being taken charging in with all guns blazing is a last resort not a first if re patriating the personel without a big stick works then I feel thats fine.
The whole thing should not of happened in the first place. if the vessel was not in Iranian waters as is claimed ( I cant believe their GPS is that bad) then they should have the right to prevent boarding IE: blow the crap out of anyone attempting it, the politicians are and always have been a thorn in the side of the forces although they instigate actions they tend to start dictating operational policies and that is just making the job harder still.
Locating and rescuing captured personel requires planning and I am sure that this is currently in action so if required a ready to deploy team will be gend and tooled up. The regiment have a rota of stand too so I suspect a team will already be within the zone of conflict.
But as I say I would prefer a peaceful solution.

See - that's the attitude that I believe is dangerous. I believe you're right with the initial response. Try to get your sailors back. However, if Britain has absolutely no response and shows not a bit of bravado - that emboldens those that will do her harm - with no fear of reprisals. There should should be a task force steaming towards Iran right now.

Nonskimmer · 03-24-2007, 11:43 AM

Better yet, a Vanguard class ballistic missile submarine.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 03-24-2007, 11:50 AM

Iran needs to be tought a lesson. First thing should be to get those sailors back but in some kind of lesson needs to be tought or they will think they can do something like that again.

I say send some cruise missiles and knock out there nuke plant. Tell them next time it is Tehran.

timshatz · 03-24-2007, 01:25 PM

I've a feeling the Iranians grabbed them in an attempt to up the bet on their nuke deal. Get the Brits to attack them and then cry "Victim of Western Imperialism". Get some sympathy from the outside world (anybody with half a brain knows the press is going to take the Iranian's side on this one).

With the Russians pulling out, their access to decent, working nuke technology has to be limited. And going nuke is their big deal.

It's going to be tricky figure out a way to get the guys back (the most important part of the whole thing) and figuring out a way to make sure the Iranians don't pull this crap again (did it two years ago and always pull it when the EU starts getting heavy on them for their nuke development).

In short, the last thing we want these guys to get is any good press in that end of the world for this. But more important, the Brits get their guys back.

Erich · 03-24-2007, 02:38 PM

doesn't Great Britain still hold he cycling speed/track record ? ............ yep the plan for the Velodrome based in downtown Tehran is still going strong

Gnomey · 03-24-2007, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by lesofprimus

Doesnt ur country have ship launched cruise missles Gnomey???? Ol' Blair needs to drop in some SAS and get some...

Yeah we have ship and sub launchable Tomahawks. I agree with the SAS as well. Send in some Tomahawks followed by the SAS with some CAS if needed and get the job down. In and out as fast as possible and they won't know what hit them (in theory).

evangilder · 03-24-2007, 05:51 PM

Here is an interesting scenario. The Russian technicians pulled out because of "lack of payment". Or is it because they know something is coming and they don't want to be in the line of fire? The Iranians might have an inkling of that and the British sailors are their bargaining chip or human shields.

Now I read today that allegedly, the British sailors have "confessed" to being in Iranian waters. Bweep, bweep, bweep...BS ALERT! If the British sailors confessed, they were either coerced or tortured into it. There is no way they would volunteer that kind of propaganda victory to the Iranians.

I am with Erich, time for the velodrome.

pbfoot · 03-24-2007, 06:08 PM

according to what I've heard this is the Farsi New Year which is curtailing news from Iran and also heard about the confession but also that the RN guys were moved to Tehran

Ajax · 03-24-2007, 07:50 PM

Now NATO is imposing more, heavier sanctions...
How long before Iran cracks and we all have to fight them aswell?

lesofprimus · 03-24-2007, 08:19 PM

Let it rain cruise missles... Use the Allied/NATO/Coalition Special Operations Branches to the fullest extent... Riddle the country with covert ops and pin point tactical strikes...

mkloby · 03-24-2007, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by lesofprimus

Let it rain cruise missles... Use the Allied/NATO/Coalition Special Operations Branches to the fullest extent... Riddle the country with covert ops and pin point tactical strikes...

I'd prefer to see a conventional destruction of the old Persian state. Those crackheads probably think they can go toe to toe vs western forces. Without any rebuilding either.

Matt308 · 03-25-2007, 12:57 AM

I read that Iran's Towelhead special forces were likely in the mix of smuggling operations and this was a warning to the UK that they were getting a little too close to home. I say cruise missile response if they don't cough up the sailors in one F'ing hour. Quit play this game with these 4th century monkeys. Trackend, you should be ashamed.

trackend · 03-25-2007, 04:57 AM

Hi Matt. the blow the **** out of everything attitude has been a huge **** up in many post war actions including Iran which is now faction ally unstable and IMO will remain as such long after the withdrawal . As for me being ashamed, you know sod all about me because I choose not to spout off about my past but I can a sure you I have nothing to be ashamed of, I was merely expressing my opinion even if it flies in the face of those who disagree every one has the right to do that, I am all in favour of you giving yours but please try to avoid getting too personal.
Thankyou