British Sailors seized by Iran.

[evangilder]

In most cases, I would agree with you Lee about a peaceful solution first. The reason I don't this time is because the current leader of Iran has been puffing himself up and doing some things that have been had the international community very concerned. He is like that kid that acts the bully, but isn't. Someday in the schoolyard, that kid gets his butt kicked and that's the end of that. At the very least, one very well placed sniper round would put an end to his insanity. But there seems to be no shortage of people like him there.

What the Iranians essentially did was commit kidnapping. Then they coerced (at the very least) confessions out of these guys. I spent enough time over in England and worked with enough of the UK forces to know that they are professional soldiers who wouldn't do that kind of thing unless under duress.

I would prefer a peaceful solution to this too, but at some point, the leadership in Iran needs a good smackdown. Unfortunately, that is all they understand. Any give from their "enemy" is considered a weakness

[lesofprimus]

Tracks got no need to be ashamed, and his opinion is the sensible one, but I think the gov't over there needs to wake up in a big freakin hurry... If we were dealing with an "ordianary" country, this wouldnt be happening in the first place...

It reminds me of the Iranian hostage situation we went through back when... We as citizens couldnt understand why our country was just letting it go.... We were pissed off... So pissed off we changed Presidents... Piss on Jimmy Carter...

Anyways, after the diplomatic soulution doesnt fly, which it wont, its time to act like the Great Britian of old and stomp some ass Track...

[trackend]

I value all the contributions on this thread including yours Matt and I have to agree with much of the thoughts behind them
Eric and Dan, you both have made very valid reasons why a good wupping (sorry Les for nicking your catch phrase)is the right action.
I suppose I think it's a no win situation. If the UK does take an aggressive stance which it is more than capable of doing, it will make the situation in the middle east/Iraq even worse than it already is and prolong the overly long deployment of the forces already there. On the other hand as many have pointed out (including yourself matt) trying a more diplomatic approach and attempting to get UN support for enforced stricter sanctions (I use the word very loosely as many of the UN membership do squat diddly anyway and ride on the backs of others ) could result in a more aggressive stance from Iran as they would feel that the west and more over the UK is a soft touch. In turn this would require an even more aggressive action to counter this Idea.
OH F**k it! I think I've just manage to disagree with my own original opinion. Ok Ok you guys win the Iranian's have been cruising for a bruising lets grease the w****rs

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

I say let Iran burn. They need a lesson taught to them...

[lesofprimus]

Track, u crack me up man...

[Erich]

I say pursue the Velodrome syndrome .............. you guys know full well this Mojameed smoke the weed turd is on some bad doobie and has been ever since the situation with the embassy takeover years ago, I remember that too well ......... this Persian clown has been on a stand up ever since he took power and keeps trying to put the log in the Allies eyes. It's time to flush him down the toilet. Time for a pork BBQ !

[trackend]

Well les at least I know when I've talked total twatish some politicians spend there whole lives talking like Stanley Unwin (just in case he's unknown to you see attachment) and still believe they make sense.

[mkloby]

I approve of your realization track. People fear a military operation against Iran could make the middle east situation worse. I don't subscribe to that line of BS. How is allowing that buffoon that believes he's xerxes to act with impunity no matter what course of action he takes (capturing British sailors/developing nuclear weapons) a positive alternative? I fear Iran is the biggest threat to global security.

Conventional ops are the only thing that will bring the persian gov't to its knees.

[Ajax]

Blow their brains out:
They're running rings around us. It looks like even they don't know where the've put the sailors. This can go two ways, in my opinion

1) They torture them into saying they were in Iranian waters, our Brits come home, all is well.
2) They decide to call them hostages, the UN gets involved, and we have a war on our hands.

It's looking alot like the build up to WWI, with the
jealousy ([WWI]Imperial Supremacy-([Iran]Nuclear Program)
the short-term cause (Shooting of Franz Ferdinand-British sailors taken)
and alliances (Serbia & Russia-Britain & the USA)

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by Ajax

Blow their brains out:
They're running rings around us. It looks like even they don't know where the've put the sailors. This can go two ways, in my opinion

The Iranians know exactly where they are. You dont "lose" such high profile prisoners. They are just trying to blow smoke up our ass because they think they are so smart when they are really just un inteligent pricks who in the long run are going to pay for this.

Originally Posted by Ajax

1) They torture them into saying they were in Iranian waters, our Brits come home, all is well.
2) They decide to call them hostages, the UN gets involved, and we have a war on our hands.

It's looking alot like the build up to WWI, with the
jealousy ([WWI]Imperial Supremacy-([Iran]Nuclear Program)
the short-term cause (Shooting of Franz Ferdinand-British sailors taken)
and alliances (Serbia & Russia-Britain & the USA)

How old are you? Just wondering.

[Erich]

~ UN is nothing in this case and the Persian wanna-be king is living on idle threats. Of course he wants someone to act against him so he can go off and cry and "try" and unite all the Muslim nations in one big grandiose Jihad. that has been his scheme of things from the begining edging on Israel through his verbal taunts, come and attack me and then I will release the 12 Immam who never existed and will never exist in reality. I think the Tehran loser has been smokin bag-weed too long

[bigZ]

Remember the good old days when we used to send in the gunboats?

[Ajax]

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

How old are you? Just wondering.

Young enough to dream but old enough to drink (usually at the same time)

& about losing them... well, I guess it's just my very dry humour.

[lesofprimus]

Like ur age is some kind of big conspiracy or something??? A big secret u keep only with ur sister???

Im 40 and will be 41 in 11 days.... Was that such a difficult thing???

[timshatz]

Happy Birthday in advance Les. Hope you have many more.