 | British Sailors seized by Iran.| SitRep Discuss British Sailors seized by Iran. in the Military Matters forums; I believe the Royal Navy should mobilise its assets and sail a combat fleet into Iranian waters blockading all their ... |
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03-30-2007, 08:30 AM
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Then order the release or the Iranian "navy" will be destroyed with its ports, oil facilities will be wrecked and Tornado's will be busting up any nuclear technology. This doesn't need to be an invasion, so the military assets do not need to be large. We shouldn't plan on an occupation so massive manpower is not required. Just hit the country to its knees then back away.
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03-30-2007, 08:46 AM
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Country:  | I like that, d. Keep the risks to the friendlies at a minimum and to the bad guys at a maximum. Now if we could only give Tony Blair the balls that Margaret Thatcher has.
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03-30-2007, 08:48 AM
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In a celebrated speech to Parliament in 1850, Palmerston said: "As a Roman, in days of old, held himself free of indignity when he could say Civis Romanus sum, 'I am a Roman citizen', so also a British subject, in whatever land he may be, shall feel confident that the watchful eye and the strong arm of England will protect him from injustice and wrong."”
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03-30-2007, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by plan_D  I believe the Royal Navy should mobilise its assets and sail a combat fleet into Iranian waters blockading all their ports. Then tell Iran that British personnel are in their waters now, what are they going to do about it?
Then order the release or the Iranian "navy" will be destroyed with its ports, oil facilities will be wrecked and Tornado's will be busting up any nuclear technology. This doesn't need to be an invasion, so the military assets do not need to be large. We shouldn't plan on an occupation so massive manpower is not required. Just hit the country to its knees then back away. | I concur. Now why aren't enough Brits thinking like this. The reaction in the news is amazing... some blaming the brits. It's like apologizing to someone for hitting their fist with your face. As Toby Keith says in one of his songs, "it'll feel like the whole wide world is raining down on you..." That is what I want to see. It's more dangerous to not.
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03-30-2007, 09:27 AM
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#95 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by timshatz Great question. Does the EU have any capacity to do anything. Once you get past the RN and the Charles De Gaul, what kind of power projection do they have? And would you get all the countries (27?) on board for this thing? | No you will never get them all together.
Germany is not allowed to go to war due to the constitution that was set after WW2. They can support in non combat roles but that is it. (it would be differently if a NATO country were invaded by an outsider then they could help defend due to the treaty, but they can not offensively go outside of Germany or EU/NATO borders.)
France will never agree with anything that has to do with its EU partners. They are stuck up and unreliable. If it does not make money for them (ie selling weapons to NATOs enemies) they are not for it.
Italy I do not think would get involved because of Iraq. The people are against sending troops to foriegn locations. They would not allow there gov. to do so.
Nobody else really has much of a military might to project. Poland might help out because they are trying to get in good with the US and England and the rest of NATO at the moment.
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03-30-2007, 10:03 AM
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Just not gonna happen. | |
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03-30-2007, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by mkloby I concur. Now why aren't enough Brits thinking like this. The reaction in the news is amazing... some blaming the brits. It's like apologizing to someone for hitting their fist with your face. As Toby Keith says in one of his songs, "it'll feel like the whole wide world is raining down on you..." That is what I want to see. It's more dangerous to not. | Because we're not all stupid...
Just how would this suggestion get those sailors back... or is that a secondary concern to just smacking a few ragheads ?
Are we suddenly expecting the Iranians and the Muslim world to suddenly become reasonable because we've blown up their citizens.. ?
Now I don't know the answer, but I'm sure that an out and out fist fight live on CNN isn't it either... We Brits are a bit more subtle than that and I'd like to think that our leaders first thoughts are about getting those sailors home to their families and if that means lieing through our teath on TV, making some bullshit apology then that's what needs to be done. When that's acheived we'll make our true feelings known to em.... sublty... in the dark, so they'll not forget.
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03-30-2007, 11:06 AM
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#98 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by timshatz Kinda thought so. Bummer. EU has the capacity (in terms of industry), the population and the know how. But I guess getting all those countries on the same page is about the same as herding cats.
Just not gonna happen. | Getting France on the same page is impossible. As I said if it does not benefit them they wont agree to anything, even if it means to help out an aly that helpled liberate them. They forget very easily.
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03-30-2007, 11:07 AM
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#99 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by bomber Because we're not all stupid...
Just how would this suggestion get those sailors back... or is that a secondary concern to just smacking a few ragheads ?
Are we suddenly expecting the Iranians and the Muslim world to suddenly become reasonable because we've blown up their citizens.. ?
Now I don't know the answer, but I'm sure that an out and out fist fight live on CNN isn't it either... We Brits are a bit more subtle than that and I'd like to think that our leaders first thoughts are about getting those sailors home to their families and if that means lieing through our teath on TV, making some bullshit apology then that's what needs to be done. When that's acheived we'll make our true feelings known to em.... sublty... in the dark, so they'll not forget.
Simon | Diplomacy only goes so far and the Iranians dont understand diplomacy unless it is giving them everything they want and they dont have to budge a bit.
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03-30-2007, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by bomber few ragheads ?
Simon | While Iranian Gov is acting like a bunch of jackazz, that comment I don't feel is right or needed. You are doing nothing but generalizing and insulting an entire group of people, it is racist.
Iranian Gov is the bad guy here, not the people of Iran. The people only know what they are taught by their goverment and priests. The people only do what they are allowed to do or encouraged to do by the Gov and priests.
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03-30-2007, 11:33 AM
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#101 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | While I am of a different opinion of the Arabs and agree more with bomber on this, I have to agree with you on what you are saying Hunter. For someone who is "not all stupid" that was a pretty dumb comment.
And since I will not tolerate dumb comments like that made about the US, British, German, anyone really unless it is made in a joking manner I will not tolerate this as well.
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03-30-2007, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet While I am of a different opinion of the Arabs and agree more with bomber on this, I have to agree with you on what you are saying Hunter. For someone who is "not all stupid" that was a pretty dumb comment. | Thanks.
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03-30-2007, 12:52 PM
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Country: | How could this end peacefully? The Iranians seem only to want to give up the Servicemen if we apologize, but we know from GPS that we weren't actually in Iranian waters. And could a modern-day, democratic nation get away with lying so blatantly?
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03-30-2007, 01:34 PM
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#104 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by Ajax And could a modern-day, democratic nation get away with lying so blatantly? | Where have you been kid? These modern-day democratic nations lie out of there teeth every day. They are called politicians and it is what they do.
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03-30-2007, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Ajax How could this end peacefully? The Iranians seem only to want to give up the Servicemen if we apologize, but we know from GPS that we weren't actually in Iranian waters. And could a modern-day, democratic nation get away with lying so blatantly? |
LOL ever single nation on this planet lies. Just some of them are much worse then us. We all have lied for our benefit at one time or another.
-USA
-Canada
-UK
-Germany
-List goes on and on.
But the fact is Iran Gov is evil through and through.
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