Canadian Forces Order new tanks

[Glider]

Originally Posted by pbfoot

Your not trying to trick me now are you

Nope far from it. The British used the Challanger I in the first Gulf War where it performed well, in many peoples eye's better than anything including the M1 version at the time. Before the second Gulf war we developed the Challanger II and sold all the Mk I's to the Jordanian army.

The Jordanians have always tended to do this. They replaced Their Centurians with Chieftains that we had built to sell to Iran in the days of the Shah but didn't deliver and called these the Khalid. During the Iran / Iraq war they bought Russian tanks and gave those to Iraq for captured Iranian Chieftains.

And then they bought the Challanger I's to replace their reamaining Centurians.

Smart bunch the Jordanians and the one Arab army the Israeli army treat with respect. If you could take out the air element the Jordanians would be a good match for the IDF.

[pbfoot]

I don't think we've had much Brit equipment saving subs since we got rid of the Centurions

[mkloby]

Originally Posted by 102first_hussars

Our Government is in a 30 billion dollar surplus, im sure we could afford the better varients, that Adler has stated

If you have a 30bil surplus - why don't you crazy socialists lower the damn taxes

[pbfoot]

Originally Posted by mkloby

If you have a 30bil surplus - why don't you crazy socialists lower the damn taxes

because it was only 6 billion and most of of it went to the military C17s ,heavy lift helos etc and paying down the national debt

[Maestro]

Great ! So we bought British submarines that were outdated (in fact, so outdated that one of them caught fire before it could make it to Canada, killing one sailor and wounding an other) and now we are buying used tanks ?

I'm taking bets... Who thinks that we're gonna spend a few more billions only to restore them ? And that's if they don't blow up before !

Canadian tank 1 : "Ennemy in sight ! Everyone, open fire !"

BANG ! BOOM! BANG !

Mohamed : "Yussef, look at them. Their tanks are burning !"
Yussef : "And we didn't even shoot a single round !"

[pbfoot]

Originally Posted by Maestro

Great ! So we bought British submarines that were outdated (in fact, so outdated that one of them caught fire before it could make it to Canada, killing one sailor and wounding an other) and now we are buying used tanks ?

I'm taking bets... Who thinks that we're gonna spend a few more billions only to restore them ? And that's if they don't blow up before !

Canadian tank 1 : "Ennemy in sight ! Everyone, open fire !"

BANG ! BOOM! BANG !

Mohamed : "Yussef, look at them. Their tanks are burning !"
Yussef : "And we didn't even shoot a single round !"

I don't think the subs were outdated

[102first_hussars]

Originally Posted by pbfoot

because it was only 6 billion and most of of it went to the military C17s ,heavy lift helos etc and paying down the national debt

If youre saying the surplus is 6 billion, youre incorrect, Im a follower, of CPAC, i watch house of commons and question period,

basically, our surpluss was at more like 10 billion(roughly), then Stephen harper cut close to 15 billion off Social Programs, blus some of the national debt has been paid off, so if you want to be technical it might be around 25-28billion, but yeah

[ndicki]

It rather depends what the tanks are to be used for, I'd have thought. In afghanistan, for example, they are not going to be engaging in long-range tank-to-tank combat with modern, up-to-date tanks. They are going to be used for SP pillboxes with the potential for infantry support. It isn't entirely necessary therefore to fit the latest state-of-the-art stuff you'd need on the North German Plain...

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Yeah but you never know what the future will bring.

[Glider]

I would have thought that what you want in Afghanistan and Iraq are tanks well armoured as to protect against RPG and other infantry AT weapons. I am afraid that a Leopard 1 isn't that tank.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Yes but the Leopard II is and that is what the Canadians are getting.

[102first_hussars]

But are the Leapord II's really suitable fore Desert Terrain, because the Leapords I's as our guys have proven are not

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Not sure. The Leopard II was designed to fight in Europe against the Russians but I am sure that the Leopard II later varients have been built to fight in the desert environment as well.

You guys are getting a varient of the Leopard II that was in use in the late 80s and early 90s. There are better varients out now.

[Maestro]

Originally Posted by pbfoot

I don't think the subs were outdated

Well, how do you call a sub that spend several months in Liverpool (or in an other English port) to be repaired and then sent to the Davis Ship Building at Lévi to "receive newer equipment" ?

That was the treatment of all of the submarines we bought... Except may be for the one that caught fire.

Man, think about it : the Royal Navy was about to dump all of those four submarines. And the gouvernment, acting like the jerks they are, bought them for several billions!

If that is not outdated for you, then I wonder what would be !

[pbfoot]

I think they cost much less than that we traded use of Suffield and Goose Bay i believe and about 800million . I suggest maybe the news your reading might be a tad senationalist . Do you know what the problem was with the subs