Iranian boats harass US warships

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 01-10-2008, 01:42 PM

I agree with Matt on this. We should have blown them out of the water. They want to play with the big boys then **** em'.

ToughOmbre · 01-10-2008, 02:29 PM

A missed target practice opportunity. Next time, blow them out of the water

Remember the Cole

TO

Matt308 · 01-10-2008, 02:38 PM

Certainly the video and the audio are NOT chronologically synched. I suspect that the identification of the "inbounds" was way before they were remotely within visual distance. I further suspect that any closer and they would have been a grease spot in the wake of any of those ships. Assuming they new they originated from Iran they likely were playing it politically safe knowing that these little cigarette boats posed no threat other than being packed with explosives. 200yds (which was about where they were) was probably the point of no return. So close. I would opened up on them just because of the audio. But then again, I suspect the transmission did not originate from the boats and likely originated from mainland Iran. More subterfuge to add to the confusion I suppose. If they were real men, they would have done it at night. Now I bet that would have ended in a completely different result.

DBII · 01-10-2008, 03:05 PM

Matt, I was good enough to get the invites. I would place from time to time and I even won a couple of matches (not Perry). I often wondered how good I would have been if I had proper coaching. When I was a cadet, the tank platoon I was asigned to was working on tank tables. They were shooting M16 adapted to fire as the main gun. The 1Lt passed the M16 down to me at the end of the day. It was missing the hand guards and only had a single round left. I shoulder the weapon and could not help but aim at the targets. The Lt laughted and said that there was no way I could hit anything. I took that as permission to fire and I hit the plastic tank target. It was an easy shot less than a 100 meters but I had bragging rights for the summer. Sorry, I guess this should be for another thread.

Trautloft · 01-10-2008, 03:22 PM

war against terrorists is a good thing. but on the other side,you all seem to be enthusiastic about a casus belli (which is as pathetic as against Iraq,we all know that Saddam been the biggest buddy as he fought the sah in Iran, no mass-dess weapons ,but oil there, and u see the result..the poor suffering iraqis..ts ts, thats bs ,sorry. no1 cared about them before, and in many many countries currently. look pakistan,look chad, the rulers are like saddam,but they are supported by the us. think about the consequences..the whole islam world would be allied after an attack. its not like ww2 anymore..these crazy suicide bombers are like a ghost.u cant do anything. no offense,i understand why ppl dislike the iran, this ahmadinejad is horrible and a f*g,no doubt. but please,consider it once again. war isnt good. i red some articles,that this 'offensive' manouver of the iranian gunboats been a bit faked and photoshopped.. i wouldnt wonder.

Matt308 · 01-10-2008, 03:44 PM

The Iranian fast boats (they aren't gunboats) were faked and photoshopped. You really believe that? I suppose the British hostages were a figment of Downing Street? Trautloft, I can't figure out if you have an anti-west agenda or are just plain ignorant. If you were driving down a street in Vienna and some thugs approached your car telling you that your family was going to die, you are telling the forum you would ignore these goblins and not defend your family's lives? Well that pretty much sums up the difference between you and the US, doesn't it.

When the wolf is stalking, you can either choose to be a sheep or a sheep dog. The world is lucky that there are sheep dogs in this world, because your idea of using anonymity as a defense is self-fulfilling prey mentality.

On behalf of those who are currently serving overseas to protect you and me, I'm sure they would want me to tell you...

You're welcome.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 01-10-2008, 04:03 PM

Well said Matt.

Trautloft · 01-10-2008, 04:03 PM

i dont have an anti-west agenda,im just tired of a vision of western catholic world vs islam. one simple reason (lets forget the fact that we are here to exchange and respect our opinions and not calling each other ignorant?) is following: you won't be bombed and your family won't be bombed, in austria there are more fanatics as in the usa,and yes,you are right,the europian union isnt able to face such a threat. and yes,i am thankful for those who KEEP peace, what i tried to say is,that europe will be engulfed in flames first, you seem to forget it. the role of 'world's sheriff's' is not right. looking desperately for another war,which costs thousands of lives of your own soldiers,beside the innocent. do you really want it? are the iranians THAT dumb to attack the ships with suicide boats? they would desintegrate before they notice. Ahmadinejad is ignorant,but still he would never dare to treaten the Usa or Israel.
the tape might not be faked,but the overestimating of the situation definitely is.
If im not welcome here, just tell. until now i thought that everyone is correct here, but im tired of the role of a black sheep if i once dare to express a different opinion

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 01-10-2008, 04:20 PM

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If im not welcome here, just tell. until now i thought that everyone is correct here, but im tired of the role of a black sheep if i once dare to express a different opinion

No Trautloft you are welcome here and you should not feel that way for expressing your opinion.

Everyone lets not let this get personal.

Trautloft · 01-10-2008, 04:27 PM

thanks. i am sorry if i sounded like im against the U.S., i know that its annoying if u only hear critics of all sides,and noone said 'hey,thanks,u saved our ass' . i pay my tribute to the soldiers. but not the politicians especially not bush. again,my opinion. just dont confuse war against terror with war against islam,that would be fatal

Matt308 · 01-10-2008, 06:25 PM

I apologize. My use of the term ignorant was not supposed to be equated to stupid. Rather, uneducated on the subject. And I stick by that comment. Wasn't calling you stupid, Traut, and you are not unwelcome here. But if you think you can post an opinion and not have to back it up or expect everyone to fawn over your post, then perhaps you are mistaken how forum work.

I have quite a hard time wrapping my head around the mentality that implies the US is war mongering and agitating a peaceful people. And do I think that the Iranians would attempt to blow up US warships? Where the eff have you been? Hiding in a cave? Iran is not a school bully whose only fault is a bad upbringing, Traut. This is real life, where people are willing to die to murder your kids... let alone attempt to sink a ship or cause an international incident. That latter more likely convince pacifists like yourself that the US is actually the bully and should return to its shores and ignore the cries for its destruction, the death of thousands of its citizens, and the destruction of its economy.

Is this about oil? You damn skippy its about oil. Oil is what runs our economy. We are willing to pay top dollar for oil. We do pay top dollar for oil. But when religious fundamentalists are beginning to take over the region, threatening free society with anihilation, and jeopardizing said oil flow... then yes. That is a national security threat. And the US is not going to sit on the sidelines and watch it happen.

And if you believe that political ethics should prevent a country/s support of any world leader that is not 100% in alignment with your ideals, then I can't begin to classify that as anything other than ignorant or naive on your part. The world is not black and white.

You may not like the Ahole who you buy your bread from, but he offers it as a good price. At some point in time you may find someone else who offers bread for less money. At that time, you can then gather friends together and attempt to run him out of your neighborhood for some perceived slight. It's called life. Except in a big boy's world the stakes are blood and pain.

I'm off my soapbox. Staged. That's insulting.

evangilder · 01-10-2008, 10:03 PM

Please people, get with the facts. Photoshop is used to edit PHOTOGRAPHS, not video or movie clips. For someone to take an entire clip and edit every single frame, line it up properly and get it all synced back up would not only take the pateince of Job, but a he11 of a long time using Photoshop.

And WHO is it that is saying that this was a fake, or staged? Hmmmm? When it comes down to a journalist versus a US Navy commander on who I believe, well, I would say a US Navy commander has a lot more integrity.

wilbur1 · 01-11-2008, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

No Trautloft you are welcome here and you should not feel that way for expressing your opinion.

Everyone lets not let this get personal.

You are right adler. I just have a hard time letting the islams get away with 9/11. mind you not all islamic are bad. but why has this now become a war of beliefs, OH sorry thought this was the crusade era

wilbur1 · 01-11-2008, 02:06 AM

Hey traut, what was that plane in your sig built for ?

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 01-11-2008, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by wilbur1

You are right adler. I just have a hard time letting the islams get away with 9/11. mind you not all islamic are bad. but why has this now become a war of beliefs, OH sorry thought this was the crusade era

You are preaching to the choir my friend. I am an American as well. I served over there in the Middle East.