Iranian boats harass US warships

[Trautloft]

Originally Posted by wilbur1

mind you not all islamic are bad. but why has this now become a war of beliefs, OH sorry thought this was the crusade era

yes,thats what im askin aswell.. maybe u ment the crusade thing jokingly..but some guys really think that its all about 'kickin some arab asses' and to annihilate Iran is the only way. ah and what the P-51 stand for in YOUR sig? i guess the same. To remember ww2.and to remember,that sometimes we fight for the wrong thing.

to Matt:
call me uneducated in this question, all i wanted is to warn you to think a bit further and dont rush with such sentences like 'lets nuke em' and ****. this won't be a walk like Desert Storm,this will be a dirty,long war where aren't winners.
u seem to misunderstand me, i explained three times more and more. i am well aware of the sense of a forum, no1 must be pleased about my opinion, but dont expect the same from me either.since most of u are from the u.s., and almost all of you seemed to be eager to attack whyever and whenever its possible ( i red the long topic about the british sailors carefully) and then even insulting uk members because of their sight of things- i still believe that the solution and answer must be well considered. It will be the same situation after crushing their army and building a new gouvernment, just multipled.This works,worked in Europe,Japan but never in the middle east. and far worse as u can immagine. Strict sanctions should work, look North Korea. in my opinion, they been a FAR bigger treat as Iraq ever been. Iraq was weakened twice, it was even weakened after Iraq-Iran war. Iraq had some Scuds,thats all. everything is destroyed now,and it is necessary. But NC really played with nuke. why didnt attack them? communist or fanatic islam. none is better, as long a dictator rules. Pakistan is the same, or Egypt. he might be a big buddy now, but if that changes, you will regret to sell them modern equipment, Abrams vs Abrams isnt Abrams vs T-55. you dont know me, im everything but liberal. i just fear a new era of warfare, which can't be won by bombing.

[Erich]

Traut you still miss the point and that is some of us have been there, fought these people have befriended them and they still comeback behind us to shoot us in the back. this is really no different the scenario played out in Vietnam which I remember too well.

Frankly your media hype that you have been believing that there were no WMD's or whatever you want to call them is plain rubbish we have found them we have the photo documentation but it will not be released for due reasons I shall not and will not give because it is not of anyones business besides the military at this moment in time. You have to understand again and this has been spoken by several of us serving time over there in different capacities that the mideast mind is not like the European/US mind, I really feel you do not have a grasp of this nor the common folk of the is world. Sadly for generations since times begun the Muslim mind is to transpose all of the world to their way of thinking even by the sword, wmd, knife, bomb you name it. whatever it is going to take for world domination. There whole history proves this and they have not deviated in it in the slightest, Arabs, Syrians, Iranians, Iraquis it does not matter, this is part of their own culture since it was first born and it shall die that way when this earth crumbles into oblivion. Talks with them at the peace table will not work, again past history has proven this......... and do you see why is some aspect some of us talk the way they do ? hope this is clear

E ~

[comiso90]

Originally Posted by Matt308

We have a 500yd range with full target berms. Never been to Camp Perry. You kidding? I wouldn't want to embarrass myself any more than I already am. I love the small bore chicken, pig, ram, etc. I put a bull barrel on a Ruger 10/22 with a cheap 3-9X Bushnell scope and really %iss off the other guys with their Anschutz tricked out guns. I've actually shot about 3/16" at 40yds off-hand on a really good day. Kept that target I'll tell ya. Don't think I could do that again.

should start a target shooting thread..

I used to shoot 600 yds with a Garand - (peep sights) and I own a .22 Anschutz. Now i mostly "dismantle" old hard drives with my Remington 270 ( pre-64)

[DBII]

Can I send you 3 CPUs? LOL

DBII

[DBII]

Well put, Erich

DBII

[Matt308]

Here, here. I'm not making personal attacks here Traut. And I don't advocate turning the middleast into glass. Certainly not in a serious manner.

But Erich is right. We are dealing with a medievil society whose values and ideals that are at such odds with the western world that you can call it a culture war, a religious war, or any other moniker you wish. Bottomline is we are at war. And running from the fight waiting for the war to knock on your doorstep is not what I would advocate. Certainly the US is not 100% fully aligned on this issue either. I am convinced that the west is so prosperous, that the average citizen cannot fathom the evil and oppression that these fanatics impose upon their own people and deal out to their enemies. It is easy for the average western citizen to leisurely get up in the morning, go to work, and retire in the evening without having to think about the horrors these animals inflict upon their region of the world. And I'm convinced that the root cause of this animosity towards life is firmly entrenched in their religion that worships the rewards of death more than the acheivements of living. This is a fundamental difference between Islam and the rest of the world's religions (Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, Taoism, etc).

Therefore, I tend to have a visceral reaction to folks whose only solution is isolationism or pacifism. The world is a rough place. Always has been. Always will be. Utopia is a LONG way away.

[Trautloft]

nicely said Matt,completely agreed. Utopia is simply not possible,because of the nature of mankind (sadly) . But because of the reasons and possible reactions, the best way , a quick,surgeon-like demonstration of power to show them their hopeless situation and cripple their military and nuke facilities, won't satisfy the goal,i think it would be the opposite. they would act as victims , raise anti-war voices in the homeland and make new allies with the rest of islamic countries. the elimination of Ahmedf*ggit would effect the same, they have surely some reserve clowns. to be honest,i really have no clue what would be best. there are pros but the contras are devastating to all options. tolerating their fooling around is certainly not wise, but if not a military first strike, what else? i thought of sanctions as i wrote above, but they take too long aswell and are easily tricked.

[Matt308]

Now we are getting somewhere.

[But I have to ask. Is your shift key broke?]

[Theo]

The threatening radio transmission heard at the end of a video showing apparently harassing maneuvers by Iranian patrol boats in the Strait of Hormuz last weekend may have come not from the Iranian crews, but from a locally famous heckler known among ship drivers as the "Filipino Monkey."

Nation & World | Who's the voice on radio in Iran standoff? | Seattle Times Newspaper

[Matt308]

Rest assured the Navy knows exactly where they came from. Not exactly a difficult algorithm to solve.