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09-29-2009, 12:19 PM
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I'd be more open to the possibility of an all female sub crew. ... and i will be the Captain. ... stow the "seaman" jokes . | |
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09-29-2009, 12:55 PM
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Ankeny, Iowa
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| Funny stuff there Comiso!
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09-29-2009, 03:05 PM
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| Minister of Whoopass   Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi
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| I agree 100% Frank, the distraction is unavoidable with titties bouncin around everywhere.... I brought up this discussion with my son yesterday and compared it to Aliens 2 where they had the Space Marines, male and female, showering and living in the same quarters.... Thats the only way life on a sub would work, but it'll never happen.....
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09-29-2009, 04:31 PM
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I can see a double-sword issue here, though. One one hand, if this ban remains, pro-feminists groups will complain that the military is being sexist, and violating a woman's option to serve on a submarine. On the other hand, though, if this ban is lifted, I bet you that the same pro-feminist's groups will complain about the lack of privacy for women about a sub, and "crusade" for better living conditions.  Just my opinion, but I can see something like this happening.
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09-29-2009, 04:51 PM
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Redding, California
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| Agreed... In close quarters like that, you're going to get people bumping into each other, basically physical contact in the course of duty...this could end up being fertile grounds for sexual harassment suits and all that crap. A submarine is a highly specialized machine of war, it's not a luxury liner... What they need to do, is get these people who are wanting to make subs a coed environment, and put 'em aboard for a typical tour...that'll give 'em a clue.
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09-29-2009, 07:14 PM
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Agree 100% guys
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09-29-2009, 10:21 PM
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| Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Stafford Springs, Connecticut
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| Hey, since a few of us have been discussing if a sub had an all-female crew, I figured that this could bring a very light look at this idea.  Hope no one is offended by this. YouTube - Mad TV Crimson Tide 2
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09-29-2009, 10:54 PM
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  | I looked at the title, and thought no way..... Needless to say I had to click it, LMAO....Nice.
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09-30-2009, 12:39 AM
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| "Shooter"   Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Moorpark, CA
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| This has got to be one of the worse ideas I have heard in a while out of the DOD. Tight quarters, no privacy and long deployments are the norm on a sub. Throw in mixed sexes and I see a lot more Navy pregnancies. I got one short hop in a Los Angeles class sub for a 2 week journey. That was enough for me.
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09-30-2009, 12:00 PM
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Stafford Springs, Connecticut
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| Wonder who thought of the idea to begin with?
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09-30-2009, 12:04 PM
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| Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi
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| A woman???
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09-30-2009, 12:16 PM
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 That was perfectly timed, bro!Having served aboard submarines my whole Navy enlistment, I will say this: IT. WILL. NOT. WORK. Period. There is simply NO extra room to accomodate a separate women's head facility, and while various class boats have one or two smaller off-the-beaten-path bunk areas, the tight quarters and close contact is going to be too much. Might as well load a bunch of lawyers and sexual-harassment suits in with the food....
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09-30-2009, 12:19 PM
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| If this is what 'civilian'society wants, then the Navy will just have to adapt -just as it has adapted to other things that society wanted. I'm sure that no one here is so naive as to believe that DOD policy is exclusively predicated on the maximization of warfighting capability. The military is not a culture that exists in isolation of civilian society,no matter that some might wish it were so. It draws its resources, both personel and material, from civilian society, and its very raison d'etre is to serve the needs and desires of that society. It's just how it is... One thing that struck me is the large number of pregnancies on the ship that Les mentioned -what's the deal with this? Is the military going to have to incorporate lessons on how babies get made into their basic training regimens, or is there just some kind of naive, ideologically-driven institutional policy of 'Just Say No!", that precludes the access to contraceptives aboard ship? Face it, people are gonna have sex whether it's 'allowed' or not. But that doesn't inevitably have to lead to mass pregnacies... JL |
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09-30-2009, 12:27 PM
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| Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi
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| The thing is with pregnancies is that once a woman gets pregnant, their life on sea duty is over.... Its sort of a way around the system... That and alot of em are too stupid to carry a condom with them... And as far as a civilian society wanting this, the only ones I know of that "want" this are politicians and women... Ill bet u 10,000 dollars not a single submariner wants this to happen....
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09-30-2009, 03:28 PM
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| Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: FL
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| You cant argue with the numbers.. Like Dan is pointing out there are a hell of a lot of pregnancies... and if 4 out of 10 get pregnant, that only means the other 4 were more careful... (with 2 being solely carpet munchers) just think of all the interpersonal drama it represents.. competition, jealousy, hurt feelings... no place on a sub Last edited by comiso90; 09-30-2009 at 03:40 PM. |
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