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trackend · 05-19-2005, 07:07 PM

The British are some times bloody hilarious at secrets at Kelvedon Hatch, Essex in the middle of a woods is a nuclear control bunker at the height of the cold war when the Cuban crisis loomed and the Kennedy and Khrushchev got as close as at any time to pressing the button
every one in my town knew that this so called secret command centre existed either that or there was was one hell of a load of service personnel going for long walks in the middle of a forest.(dirty little devils)

Medvedya · 05-19-2005, 08:26 PM

I've been there! It's fun! The best time to visit is mid week when it's quiet. Very spooky!

plan_D · 05-19-2005, 08:37 PM

We do fail in some places with hiding such things. I don't think they ever wanted to hide the fact that RAF Finningley was a nuclear bomber base though.

I do know where there's a nuclear weapons storage site but I don't know whether it's still in use or not. It's quite remarkably well hidden, I only know about it now because they don't care about people knowing about it. It just looks like a field, with a few trees here and there. What gives it away though is a guardhouse with armed guards...

"Why are you guarding that field?"

"Because the Queen likes it..."

Medvedya · 05-19-2005, 08:41 PM

Yeah, if it's the one I'm thinking of, it's in either Berkshire or Wiltshire somewhere off the M4 - there's a sign with 'Work units only' by the turn off.

trackend · 05-19-2005, 08:51 PM

Heres another secret I saw a Duxford today a piece of Sadams secret super gun disguised as an oil pipe all I can say is it must have been a bleeding huge pump to need a pipe this thick (what the hell was MI5 doing not recognising that this was a bit suspect)

Medvedya · 05-19-2005, 09:08 PM

All for naught, as even if it had been set up, it would have stuck out like a whore in church on a satellite image.

evangilder · 05-19-2005, 11:35 PM

That's one of the guns that Gerald Bull was developing, right?

Medvedya · 05-20-2005, 05:57 AM

As far as I remember, it was a company called Matrix Churchill.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 05-22-2005, 04:15 PM

Where did the design come from originally, I know it was not Iraqs?

Medvedya · 05-22-2005, 07:44 PM

One way or another people in the Coalition nations created it.

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iraq/other/supergun.htm

What I can't understand is how Matrix Churchill honestly thought they'd get away with it, and how the Iraqis imagined that having built the gun, how they were going to hide it from the West - most notable the Israelis, who would simply launch an air strike to blow it up.

trackend · 05-22-2005, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evangilder

That's one of the guns that Gerald Bull was developing, right?

thats right Evan not long after he got started on the project Mosad topped him he did a lot of development work using two navel 15inch guns linked end to end

HealzDevo · 05-24-2005, 07:01 AM

It is difficult sometimes to decide what exactly is deadly equipment and what isn't. I can remember going to a website where they talked about keyring knives and all sorts of things. The mundane can hide a deadly secret. Also if you look at most oil field pictures, the pipe pictured looks to be roughly the right size for use at a high-capacity oil-field. Also, the pieces were probably being shipped separately and in different lots. Guns can apparently be mail-order from certain websites. Although that is not something to be encouraged, it rather gets across the picture I am painting of dangerous or innocent object?

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 05-24-2005, 02:55 PM

I just dont see how anyone could hide such a thing. It was quite obvious what it was. The other thing is WHY? There are so many better, more accurate, cheaper, and better concealable weapons out there.

Medvedya · 06-01-2005, 07:46 PM

Saddam wanted a very, very big gun - maybe there was some kinda compensating thing going on there?

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 06-01-2005, 08:57 PM

Must have been little penis syndrome.

05-19-2005, 08:37 PM	#18
plan_D Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 11,978	We do fail in some places with hiding such things. I don't think they ever wanted to hide the fact that RAF Finningley was a nuclear bomber base though. I do know where there's a nuclear weapons storage site but I don't know whether it's still in use or not. It's quite remarkably well hidden, I only know about it now because they don't care about people knowing about it. It just looks like a field, with a few trees here and there. What gives it away though is a guardhouse with armed guards... "Why are you guarding that field?" "Because the Queen likes it..." __________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club.

05-19-2005, 11:35 PM	#22
evangilder "Shooter" Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Moorpark, CA Posts: 14,803	That's one of the guns that Gerald Bull was developing, right? __________________ http://www.vg-photo.com For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return. Leonardo Da Vinci

05-22-2005, 04:15 PM	#24
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,152	Where did the design come from originally, I know it was not Iraqs? __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

05-24-2005, 07:01 AM	#27
HealzDevo Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Queensland Posts: 1,249	It is difficult sometimes to decide what exactly is deadly equipment and what isn't. I can remember going to a website where they talked about keyring knives and all sorts of things. The mundane can hide a deadly secret. Also if you look at most oil field pictures, the pipe pictured looks to be roughly the right size for use at a high-capacity oil-field. Also, the pieces were probably being shipped separately and in different lots. Guns can apparently be mail-order from certain websites. Although that is not something to be encouraged, it rather gets across the picture I am painting of dangerous or innocent object? __________________ http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/alb...500&ppuser=671 Link To My Picture Gallery

05-24-2005, 02:55 PM	#28
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,152	I just dont see how anyone could hide such a thing. It was quite obvious what it was. The other thing is WHY? There are so many better, more accurate, cheaper, and better concealable weapons out there. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

05-19-2005, 07:07 PM	#16
trackend Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Canvey Island, Essex Posts: 4,029	The British are some times bloody hilarious at secrets at Kelvedon Hatch, Essex in the middle of a woods is a nuclear control bunker at the height of the cold war when the Cuban crisis loomed and the Kennedy and Khrushchev got as close as at any time to pressing the button every one in my town knew that this so called secret command centre existed either that or there was was one hell of a load of service personnel going for long walks in the middle of a forest.(dirty little devils)

05-19-2005, 08:26 PM	#17
Medvedya Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 2,386	I've been there! It's fun! The best time to visit is mid week when it's quiet. Very spooky!

05-19-2005, 08:41 PM	#19
Medvedya Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 2,386	Yeah, if it's the one I'm thinking of, it's in either Berkshire or Wiltshire somewhere off the M4 - there's a sign with 'Work units only' by the turn off.

05-19-2005, 09:08 PM	#21
Medvedya Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 2,386	All for naught, as even if it had been set up, it would have stuck out like a whore in church on a satellite image.

05-20-2005, 05:57 AM	#23
Medvedya Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 2,386	As far as I remember, it was a company called Matrix Churchill.

05-22-2005, 07:44 PM	#25
Medvedya Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 2,386	One way or another people in the Coalition nations created it. http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iraq/other/supergun.htm What I can't understand is how Matrix Churchill honestly thought they'd get away with it, and how the Iraqis imagined that having built the gun, how they were going to hide it from the West - most notable the Israelis, who would simply launch an air strike to blow it up.

06-01-2005, 07:46 PM	#29
Medvedya Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 2,386	Saddam wanted a very, very big gun - maybe there was some kinda compensating thing going on there?

06-01-2005, 08:57 PM	#30
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 33,152	Must have been little penis syndrome. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I]

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