Russian Subs Patrolling Off East Coast of U.S. - Page 2 - Aircraft of World War II

Aaron Brooks Wolters · 08-09-2009, 01:23 AM

P-3's are good!!

GrauGeist · 08-09-2009, 01:27 AM

Funny you'd mention the Cavalla, RA!

That was one of my Uncle's boats, the Gato class Cavalla 244...she's on static in Seawolf park in Galveston, Texas.

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Originally Posted by FLYBOYJ

Oh yeah...that'll leave a mark!

Clay_Allison · 08-09-2009, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by RabidAlien

Clay, what's your brother's rate? I was a nuke EM on Sturgeon-class boats, out of Pearl. USS Drum (677) and USS Cavalla (684), decommed both, plus a few months decomming the USS Indianapolis (697) when they wouldn't let me take the early-out option at my 6-month point. I recall alot of 12-on-12-off shift-work schedules, with regular duty days thrown in. There were times we were working 12- to 15-hour shifts while underway (at sea, everything shifts to an 18-hour workday....which really sucks when you get back in to port) trying to keep the motors and generators running. Several times I got stuck on a 40-hour workday....things start to get really trippy when you've been awake that long! But in spite of all that, we kicked the butts of EVERYBODY we played games with, whether allied subs (I won't mention any countries....y'all're all good! We're just better.) or US surface ships. AKA "targets". The Akula is a nasty piece of hardware...but even the Sturgeon class 637 and higher subs could give it a serious run for its money. It just has more tubes. We're still quieter.

He's an EM. he won't re-enlist despite the fact that they recently offered a $90,000 Re-up bonus. Re-enlistment rates started to plummet in 1998, they've gotten worse pretty much every year. The Navy becoming obsessed with spit and polish and decorum to the point that they clearly hold morale in contempt combined with very high paying jobs in the civilian sector, which further combined with higher and higher stress levels as subs worked more and more understaffed.

evangilder · 08-09-2009, 10:16 AM

I love that shot of the P-3, Joe. That will definitely help keeping an eye on things.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 08-09-2009, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Doughboy

Russia is has Nuclear-Powered Submarines off our coast and we're concerned!? We're not threatining Russia at all!?....No threat of military action?

Why would we threaten them?

1. This has been done for years.

2. They have done nothing wrong. They are in international waters and have every right to be there. They are not threatening us by doing so. Should Italy threaten us everytime we send a boat in to the Med?

Think about it...

RabidAlien · 08-09-2009, 12:37 PM

I got out in '98, Clive. I agree with him, there is absolutely nothing to keep people in the service. EM's are supposed to be a 12-man division (counting chief and LPO). We routinely ran with somewhere between 6 and 9 of us. I lived on Mt. Dew and Excedrin. An average day consisted of only two Excedrin in the morning, and two at lunch. A bad day....well, lets just say that I kept the fine makers of various pain relievers in business. Guys who'd been in for 15 years were getting out because the jobs outside were better...better benefits, better pay, better hours...it wasn't worth it to stick around and actually retire, Thank You Very Much Mr. Clinton. Seawolf was just coming online when I was gettin out, so the only things we heard about it was that they were CONSTANTLY cleaning and hosting dignitaries for 6-hour in-and-out trips to show off the new toys.

P-3's....glad to have them up there. Used to have a pic of one taken from our periscope, with cross-hairs on it. My ex was in a P3 squadron, I hung a copy up on their squadron bulletin board once. They didn't find it funny. Dunno why.

Cool story about P-3s, we were always giving them a hard time about not being able to find us even though they kept narrowing our operations box. Once we were scheduled to go out on a three-day "rabbit" op (we were the "aggressor" sub) to give the P3 guys another chance to find us. Something broke, and we cancelled the op. About noonish one day, we get this call that "hey, we found you!" Sure enough...the P3 hadn't gotten the word we weren't going out. So, tied up next to the pier, we had to concede the victory to them. They found us.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 08-09-2009, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RabidAlien

I got out in '98, Clive. I agree with him, there is absolutely nothing to keep people in the service. EM's are supposed to be a 12-man division (counting chief and LPO). We routinely ran with somewhere between 6 and 9 of us. I lived on Mt. Dew and Excedrin. An average day consisted of only two Excedrin in the morning, and two at lunch. A bad day....well, lets just say that I kept the fine makers of various pain relievers in business. Guys who'd been in for 15 years were getting out because the jobs outside were better...better benefits, better pay, better hours...it wasn't worth it to stick around and actually retire, Thank You Very Much Mr. Clinton. Seawolf was just coming online when I was gettin out, so the only things we heard about it was that they were CONSTANTLY cleaning and hosting dignitaries for 6-hour in-and-out trips to show off the new toys.

It was the same in the army. A buddy of mine who is still in, is understaffed and living in the field. He returned home from Iraq last October and has spent 8 of the last 10 months on and off in the field (he is an air traffic controller) because they are so understaffed. He has been home from the field for the last 2 weeks. He leaves again tomorrow for over a month, and then will go on leave before deploying again.

The military is not what it used to be anymore.

Doughboy · 08-09-2009, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

Why would we threaten them?

1. This has been done for years.

2. They have done nothing wrong. They are in international waters and have every right to be there. They are not threatening us by doing so. Should Italy threaten us everytime we send a boat in to the Med?

Think about it...

You have a point....But I still don't like it....

vikingBerserker · 08-09-2009, 01:17 PM

Well, it's not like the US is not doing it either.

ToughOmbre · 08-09-2009, 01:26 PM

Been going on forever. I can remember US Navy blimps patrolling up and down the Jersey shore in the 1950s. Was one of the enduring images that I can recall from my childhood.

And like vB said, we do the same thing. No big deal IMO.

TO

RabidAlien · 08-09-2009, 03:18 PM

"Extended Training Missions in International Waters". That's what they call it these days. And as long as nobody does anything stupid, its kinda an unspoken gentleman's agreement that yes, we know you're there, yes, we know you know we're there, but if you play nicely in my pool, I promise I won't piddle in yours. ...but I'm not turning my back, cuz I know you had alot to drink before you paddled over here.

One of these days they're going to find themselves either so undermanned that they will not be able to do anything, or the standards required for qualifying for certain technical jobs will be lowered so much that they'll notice a sharp increase in accidents and "incidents". heck, I probably wouldn't've made it through the training if I'd've gone in ten years earlier than I did. I can't help but think that there's going to be a wake-up call for the gov't and the military, and its going to cost someone some blood to do it. One would think that 9-11 would've opened eyes in Washington, but it doesn't sound like it.

GrauGeist · 08-09-2009, 03:22 PM

The only comforting thought (if there is such a thing), is that the Russian Navy is in worse shape than ours, manpower-wise.

Clay_Allison · 08-09-2009, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RabidAlien

"Extended Training Missions in International Waters". That's what they call it these days. And as long as nobody does anything stupid, its kinda an unspoken gentleman's agreement that yes, we know you're there, yes, we know you know we're there, but if you play nicely in my pool, I promise I won't piddle in yours. ...but I'm not turning my back, cuz I know you had alot to drink before you paddled over here.

One of these days they're going to find themselves either so undermanned that they will not be able to do anything, or the standards required for qualifying for certain technical jobs will be lowered so much that they'll notice a sharp increase in accidents and "incidents". heck, I probably wouldn't've made it through the training if I'd've gone in ten years earlier than I did. I can't help but think that there's going to be a wake-up call for the gov't and the military, and its going to cost someone some blood to do it. One would think that 9-11 would've opened eyes in Washington, but it doesn't sound like it.

Justin is hoping that they decide to start decomming the 688 class starting with the lowest numbers and working upwards to make more personnel available in the long run. Obviously much of the crew would be needed to decom the boat in the short run.

He also said that everyone is having tremendous trouble qualling anything because they are either working or endlessly looking for "deep dirt" and get no chance to qualify.

vikingBerserker · 08-09-2009, 03:58 PM

I'm not so sure having an under-manned Soviet Nuke Sub off my coast is such a reassuring thing

Clay_Allison · 08-09-2009, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by vikingBerserker

I'm not so sure having an under-manned Soviet Nuke Sub off my coast is such a reassuring thing

their subs may not be undermanned, they have a draft.

08-09-2009, 10:16 AM	#19
evangilder "Shooter" Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Moorpark, CA Posts: 14,809	I love that shot of the P-3, Joe. That will definitely help keeping an eye on things. __________________ http://www.vg-photo.com For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return. Leonardo Da Vinci

08-09-2009, 12:37 PM	#21
RabidAlien Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Hurst, Texas Posts: 2,827	I got out in '98, Clive. I agree with him, there is absolutely nothing to keep people in the service. EM's are supposed to be a 12-man division (counting chief and LPO). We routinely ran with somewhere between 6 and 9 of us. I lived on Mt. Dew and Excedrin. An average day consisted of only two Excedrin in the morning, and two at lunch. A bad day....well, lets just say that I kept the fine makers of various pain relievers in business. Guys who'd been in for 15 years were getting out because the jobs outside were better...better benefits, better pay, better hours...it wasn't worth it to stick around and actually retire, Thank You Very Much Mr. Clinton. Seawolf was just coming online when I was gettin out, so the only things we heard about it was that they were CONSTANTLY cleaning and hosting dignitaries for 6-hour in-and-out trips to show off the new toys. P-3's....glad to have them up there. Used to have a pic of one taken from our periscope, with cross-hairs on it. My ex was in a P3 squadron, I hung a copy up on their squadron bulletin board once. They didn't find it funny. Dunno why. Cool story about P-3s, we were always giving them a hard time about not being able to find us even though they kept narrowing our operations box. Once we were scheduled to go out on a three-day "rabbit" op (we were the "aggressor" sub) to give the P3 guys another chance to find us. Something broke, and we cancelled the op. About noonish one day, we get this call that "hey, we found you!" Sure enough...the P3 hadn't gotten the word we weren't going out. So, tied up next to the pier, we had to concede the victory to them. They found us. __________________ Pillage, then burn. Argue not with dragons, for thou art crunchy and go well on toast.

08-09-2009, 01:17 PM	#24
vikingBerserker Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: South Carolina Posts: 3,768	Well, it's not like the US is not doing it either. __________________ "Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it" "Those who dwell in the past, condemn the future"

08-09-2009, 01:26 PM	#25
ToughOmbre Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Jersey Shore Posts: 3,233	Been going on forever. I can remember US Navy blimps patrolling up and down the Jersey shore in the 1950s. Was one of the enduring images that I can recall from my childhood. And like vB said, we do the same thing. No big deal IMO. TO __________________ *“Let's get Enterprise* and Hornet turned into the wind."**

08-09-2009, 03:18 PM	#26
RabidAlien Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Hurst, Texas Posts: 2,827	"Extended Training Missions in International Waters". That's what they call it these days. And as long as nobody does anything stupid, its kinda an unspoken gentleman's agreement that yes, we know you're there, yes, we know you know we're there, but if you play nicely in my pool, I promise I won't piddle in yours. ...but I'm not turning my back, cuz I know you had alot to drink before you paddled over here. One of these days they're going to find themselves either so undermanned that they will not be able to do anything, or the standards required for qualifying for certain technical jobs will be lowered so much that they'll notice a sharp increase in accidents and "incidents". heck, I probably wouldn't've made it through the training if I'd've gone in ten years earlier than I did. I can't help but think that there's going to be a wake-up call for the gov't and the military, and its going to cost someone some blood to do it. One would think that 9-11 would've opened eyes in Washington, but it doesn't sound like it. __________________ Pillage, then burn. Argue not with dragons, for thou art crunchy and go well on toast.

08-09-2009, 01:23 AM	#16
Aaron Brooks Wolters Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Abingdon, VA. Posts: 2,300	P-3's are good!!

08-09-2009, 03:22 PM	#27
GrauGeist Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Redding, California Posts: 3,357	The only comforting thought (if there is such a thing), is that the Russian Navy is in worse shape than ours, manpower-wise. __________________ "Look back over the past, with its changing empires that rose and fell, and you can foresee the future." - Marcus Aurelius, Emperor of Rome > I Support Doug Gillis <

08-09-2009, 03:58 PM	#29
vikingBerserker Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: South Carolina Posts: 3,768	I'm not so sure having an under-manned Soviet Nuke Sub off my coast is such a reassuring thing __________________ "Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it" "Those who dwell in the past, condemn the future"

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