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11-06-2009, 11:13 PM
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11-07-2009, 12:40 AM
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| I can't watch this on TV anymore.
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11-07-2009, 07:34 PM
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| Older Than Dirt   Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Beach, Virginia
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| The unfortunate part of all this is... when the Major finally goes to trial he will probably plead insanity and will get off. It would have been a lot better if that gal had killed him. Think of the money saved !! Charles
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11-07-2009, 08:01 PM
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11-07-2009, 08:16 PM
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| the old Sage  Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere
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11-08-2009, 03:13 AM
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| This guy is a hero to many of our own people, including the party in power. I don't expect anything but a witch hunt within our military while the mainstream media finds excuses for the murderer. The Rubicon has been crossed.
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11-08-2009, 06:01 AM
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| Some saw trouble ahead with Fort Hood shooter By ANGELA K. BROWN and RICHARD LARDNER, Associated Press Writers Angela K. Brown And Richard Lardner, Associated Press Writers – 48 mins ago FORT HOOD, Texas – In retrospect, the signs of Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan's growing anger over the U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan seem unmistakable. But even people who worried his increasingly strident views were clouding his ability to serve the U.S. military could not predict the murderous rampage of which he now stands accused. In the months leading to Thursday's shooting spree that left 13 people dead and 29 others wounded, Hasan raised eyebrows with comments that the war on terror was "a war on Islam" and wrestled with what to tell fellow Muslim solders who had their doubts about fighting in Islamic countries. "The system is not doing what it's supposed to do," said Dr. Val Finnell, who complained to administrators at a military university about what he considered Hasan's "anti-American" rants. "He at least should have been confronted about these beliefs, told to cease and desist, and to shape up or ship out." Finnell studied with Hasan from 2007-2008 in the master's program in public health at the military's Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., where Hasan persistently complained about perceived anti-Muslim sentiment in the military and injected his politics into courses where they had no place. "In retrospect, I'm not surprised he did it," Finnell said of the shootings. "I had real questions about what his priorities were, what his beliefs were." Hasan, who was shot by civilian police and taken into custody, was in intensive care but breathing on his own late Saturday at an Army hospital in San Antonio. Officials refused to say if he was talking to investigators. At least 17 victims remained hospitalized with gunshot wounds, and nine were in intensive care late Saturday. On Sunday, numerous church services honoring the victims were planned both on the post and in neighboring Killeen. Military criminal investigators continue to refer to Hasan as the only suspect in the shootings but won't say when charges would be filed. "We have not established a motive for the shootings at this time," said Army Criminal Investigative Command spokesman Chris Grey. A government official speaking on condition of anonymity because the person was not authorized to discuss the case said an initial review of Hasan's computer use has found no evidence of links to terror groups, or anyone who might have helped plan or push him toward the shooting attack. The review of Hasan's computer is continuing and more evidence could emerge, the source said. Hasan likely would face military justice rather than federal criminal charges if investigators determine the violence was the work of just one person. Hasan's family described a man incapable of the attack, calling him a devoted doctor and devout Muslim who showed no signs that he might lash out. "I've known my brother Nidal to be a peaceful, loving and compassionate person who has shown great interest in the medical field and in helping others," said his brother, Eyad Hasan, of Sterling, Va., in a statement. "He has never committed an act of violence and was always known to be a good, law-abiding citizen." Still, in the days since authorities believe Hasan fired more than 100 rounds in a soldier processing center at Fort Hood in the worst mass shooting on a military facility in the U.S., a picture has emerged of a man who was forcefully opposed to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, was trying to elude his pending deployment to Afghanistan and had struggled professionally in his work as an Army psychiatrist. "I told him, `There's something wrong with you,'" Osman Danquah, co-founder of the Islamic Community of Greater Killeen, told The Associated Press on Saturday. "I didn't get the feeling he was talking for himself, but something just didn't seem right." Danquah assumed the military's chain of command knew about Hasan's doubts, which had been known for more than a year to classmates at the Maryland graduate military medical program. His fellow students complained to the faculty about Hasan's "anti-American propaganda," but said a fear of appearing discriminatory against a Muslim student kept officers from filing a formal complaint. Others recalled a pleasant neighbor who forgave a fellow soldier charged with tearing up his "Allah is Love" bumper sticker. A superior officer at Darnall Army Medical Center at Fort Hood, Col. Kimberly Kesling, has said Hasan was quiet with a strong work ethic who provided excellent care for his patients. Twice this summer, Danquah said, Hasan asked him what to tell soldiers who expressed misgivings about fighting fellow Muslims. The retired Army first sergeant and Gulf War veteran said he reminded Hasan that these soldiers had volunteered to fight, and that Muslims were fighting each other in Afghanistan, Pakistan and the Palestinian territories. "But what if a person gets in and feels that it's just not right?" Danquah recalled Hasan asking him. "I'd give him my response. It didn't seem settled, you know. It didn't seem to satisfy," he said. "It would be like a person playing the devil's advocate. ... I said, `Look. I'm not impressed by you.'" Danquah said he was disturbed by Hasan's persistent questioning but never told anyone at the sprawling Army post about the talks, because Hasan never expressed anger toward the Army or indicated any plans for violence. "If I had an inkling that he had this type of inclination or intentions, definitely I would have brought it to their attention," he said. Hasan was promoted from captain to major in 2008, the same year he graduated from the master's program. Bernard Rostker, a military personnel expert at the Rand Corp., said a shortage of officers and psychiatrists meant Hasan's advancement was all but certain absent a serious blemish on his record, such as a DUI or a drug charge. Hasan reportedly jumped up on a desk and shouted "Allahu akbar!" — Arabic for "God is great!" — at the start of Thursday's attack. "Hopefully, they can put together the pieces and find out what in the world was in his mind and why he went crazy," Danquah said. "Aaaaah, it's sad. Those soldiers could have been my soldiers." ___ Associated Press Writers Allen Breed in Killeen, Dalia Nammari in Ramallah, West Bank, and Devlin Barrett, Richard Lardner, Pamela Hess and Jessica Gresko in Washington, D.C., contributed to this report. .
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11-08-2009, 06:28 AM
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Beaupré, Province of Québec, Canada
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 | Just watched a part of Bill O'Reilly's show on FOXnews.com. Looks like they're gonna check on his computer to see if the shooting was planned. As O'Reilly said : "If it was planned, he is a terrorist. If not he is a nut." Now, you can treat me of fascist if you want to, but I'm starting to wonder if it wouldn't be safer for all of us to just deportate all of Muslims back to North-Africa and then permanently close our borders to Muslim immigration. Those guys are zealots practicing a dangerous religion. They don't wanna live like us, they want to destroy us ! Now, may be writing this will cost me a few days ban, but I'll just bend-over and take the punishment like a good boy... Because I just told what was on my heart. |
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11-08-2009, 06:36 AM
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| Der Crewchief  Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany
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| You are not going to be banned for telling your feelings. Just don't be surprised if many hold different opinions. Don't let this get out of hand. Back to topic: Of course it was premeditated. A Major in the US Army is not going to wake up one morning, have breakfast and say "I think for PT I will go and shoot some of my fellow soldiers!". He thought about this for a very long time. He deserves to be punished by by the soldiers he harmed. Hanging him sounds good to me...
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11-08-2009, 08:03 AM
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11-08-2009, 08:22 AM
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11-08-2009, 08:31 AM
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I don't know if soldiers in the US army get a "mental health check" every year or so, if it does then yes, it is indeed premeditated. However, if they only get that "mental health check" once upon enlisting and then once everytime they come back from a campaign, then it can just be some kind of nut. (Don't forget that this guy never went at war.) Mental deseases can show up on many ways. Some can be born with it (like autism), others can develop it in their childhood, in their teenage, or even in their adulthood (like depression or skyzophrenia (sorry, can't spell)). If he developped such a desease while working for the army, he might have decided to do that at the last moment. | |
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11-08-2009, 08:54 AM
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Do you realize that there are well over a million Muslims in the US? And that many of them were born there, which entitles them to exactly the same consideration as any other citizen? Are you aware that both the US and Canadian Constitution explicitly forbid any discrimination or privilege on the basis of religion or ethnicity? That's what makes our nations the exemplars of freedom. Unlike states like Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Nazi Germany. We use cattle cars for cattle, not our citizens... Your comments mirror the hysterical mindset that led to the incarceration of American and Canadian citizens of Japanese descent that took place during WWII. That was a complete travesty of justice, and a black mark on both democracies. The Fort Hood shooter was a murderous nutball, just as the Christian Anglo-Saxon Timothy McVeigh was a murderous nutball. He deliberately slaughtered far more innocent people than Hasan did, but I don't recall any wide-spread demand to round up and deport every Christian of Anglo-Saxon descent. Do you? First think. Then post... JL Last edited by Butters; 11-08-2009 at 08:59 AM. Reason: typos | |
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11-08-2009, 09:17 AM
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| Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany
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__________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"[/I] | |
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11-08-2009, 10:06 AM
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got a screw loose. Actually, your comments don't surprise me. I expected as much from you ... Charles
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