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03-26-2009, 02:47 PM
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Missouri
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| Somali Hijackers This may not really be a "political" thread, but I know that there are many current and ex-servicemen on this website so I thought I would post it here. Why can't the the navies patrolling the sea around Somalia put an end to ship hijackings? I know it is a vast expanse of water but with today's technology it seems like there should be better protection. I have not read any accounts of any navy proactively going after the pirates. I don't really even hear about any aid by a navy either except by an Indian warship. thoughts..? |
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03-26-2009, 08:47 PM
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| we are scared of lawsuits or the UN?
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03-26-2009, 11:06 PM
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| Alot has to do with international politics and who's territorial waters the incident actually takes place in. That's my theory, anyway.
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03-27-2009, 12:31 AM
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| The pirates have been counter-attacked by an international coalition of warships here recently. Indian navy attacks and sinks pirate ship: India claims pirate ship sunk - CNN.com Chinese and Dutch navies thwart pirates: BBC NEWS | Africa | Two navies 'thwart pirate raids' German navy seizes pirate vessel: German navy deters pirate attack - International Herald Tribune Royal Malaysian navy attacks pirates: Royal Malaysian Navy thwarts pirate attack The list of navies involved so far is: British Royal Navy Canadian Forces Maritime Command Chinese Navy French Navy German Navy Greek Navy Indian Navy Italian Navy Islamic Republic of Iran Navy Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force Republic of Korea Navy Republic of Singapore Navy Royal Australian Navy Royal Danish Navy Royal Malaysian Navy Royal Netherlands Navy Royal New Zealand Navy Royal Norwegian Navy Royal Saudi Navy Russian Navy Spanish Navy Swedish Navy Turkish Navy United States Navy United States Coast Guard Soon to join the coalition will be the navy of Pakistan.
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03-27-2009, 12:47 AM
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03-27-2009, 01:33 AM
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| LOL...I was looking at the list and thinking the same thing myself!
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03-27-2009, 01:55 AM
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| Who knows, maybe the pirates will bring world peace by getting us to work together.  |
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03-27-2009, 03:55 AM
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| Shhhhh Hellcat! They haven't realized that they (the navies) are all working as a team yet...  Once they realize this, then the politics will start and they won't get along anymore!
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03-27-2009, 10:40 AM
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03-27-2009, 11:21 PM
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1,000 posts, dang...I hadn't noticed! Perhaps for a prize, we should get a night on the town with one of the girls from the "Breaking News!" thread!!
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04-07-2009, 05:13 PM
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| watched a little documentary on the subject the other day according to the doc it started out as a method to stop over fishing by some over zealous fisherman who felt that it was easy pickings because of no Somali presence, so after the fishing boats were held for ransom the light came on to these pirates and they started to go for the bigger fish. Another problem is a lot of unscrupulous folks are also dumping a lot of toxic waste in the area rather then process it. Did anyone note the participation of the Iranian Navy |
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04-07-2009, 05:21 PM
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| The pirates are raking in money hand-over-fist. Only a very few hijackings have been thwarted. They got three more ships this week !!! What we need in the area is someone's carrier strike force.... Charles
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04-07-2009, 05:33 PM
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 | I noted the participation of the Iranians, and that of the Russians, in what is essentially a NATO and Commonwealth coalition  Wonder if these units are serving literally 'alongside' US/UK units though? The irony would be incredible, and the implications deeply interesting...EDIT: As for the carrier strike force, it is my understanding that these pirates generally use small civilian vessels for their attacks. How would you identify this and ensure it was not a legitimate civilian vessel before blowing it out of the water? And isn't a CVBG an extremely expensive and wasteful way of doing a job that could be done by an FFG or even one of the new LCS?
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04-07-2009, 05:35 PM
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04-07-2009, 05:58 PM
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In the event they do muster the courage (or stupidity) to board, ID as a civilian vessel isn't an issue any longer, nor, I believe, is the issue of sovereignty; isn't a sea-going vessel sovereign ground to whoever's flag its sailing under? (I'm just guessing there) The Marine or SF crew would obviously be a professional outfit, well-armed and drilled and given the pretty damn substantial construction of ships, 'dug in' to a very safe degree. At that point, the pirates can either get smart, realise they're in a meat-grinder and surrender or they can start shooting and get whacked. A couple of captured crews (or a couple of whacked crews) later, the pirates realise it's no longer easy street and the problem could even go away. | |
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