Submarine deaths caused by failures - Aircraft of World War II

Colin1 · 03-24-2009, 08:18 PM

More trouble at sea

BBC NEWS | England | Sub deaths caused by 'failures'

Ferdinand Foch · 03-24-2009, 08:42 PM

D@@n, that's terrible, all because of some bloody systems failure. The only good thing that I can say about this is that at least the whole sub crew wasn't lost.

Matt308 · 03-24-2009, 10:04 PM

Aaron Brooks Wolters · 03-24-2009, 10:12 PM

Gnomey · 03-25-2009, 10:40 AM

RabidAlien · 03-25-2009, 01:19 PM

We called our O2 generators "bombs". Basically, electrolysis of water generates H2 and O2...both very explosive gases. Its a tribute to the training and fast actions of the rest of the crew that the entire sub didn't go down. Fires spread insanely fast when you're in an enclosed can full of O2 supplies, fuel-oil, and other combustables.

They dont' mention much except who needs to be blamed, but they did say that the one mechanic was killed by CO2 poisoning. Possibly by staying back inside the compartment and isolating it from the rest of the boat?

BombTaxi · 03-25-2009, 03:37 PM

This was a terrible, and by all accounts avoidable, tragedy. As Rabid and FF have said, it is a small mercy that the rest of the crew survived. Coroners are becoming increasingly vociferous in their condemnations of the MoD, and each death, combat or accidental, seems to cast new doubt on the ability of the MoD to provide adequate equipment and maintenance for our armed forces.

One peculiar point of English law is that inquests on deceased service personnel are held in the county to which their remains are returned. Most RAF flight carrying remains used to come into Brize Norton in Oxfordshire, a county with a coroner particularly damning in his criticisms of MoD policy. Recent news coverage of remains returning to the UK has reported the flights coming into Lyneham, in the neighbouring county of Wiltshire, where the coroner is less strident in his views. While there may well be a perfectly good operation reason for the change, the MoD has not opted to divulge it, and it has left many observers in the UK wondering if the change has (perhaps unintentionally) taken some heat off the MoD. I truly hope this is not true, but the MoD seems to have shown little urge to answer the criticisms that have been made of it...

Colin1 · 03-25-2009, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BombTaxi

Most RAF flight carrying remains used to come into Brize Norton in Oxfordshire, a county with a coroner particularly damning in his criticisms of MoD policy. Recent news coverage of remains returning to the UK has reported the flights coming into Lyneham, in the neighbouring county of Wiltshire, where the coroner is less strident in his views...

Wouldn't surprise me at all
though they'd best make the most of it, Lyneham's due to be closed down and everything moved back to Brize!

Clay_Allison · 04-03-2009, 10:28 PM

My brother is on the USS Buffalo. You can imagine I'm not happy about this.

mkloby · 04-03-2009, 10:33 PM

03-24-2009, 08:18 PM	#1
Colin1 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,759	Submarine deaths caused by failures More trouble at sea BBC NEWS \| England \| Sub deaths caused by 'failures'

03-24-2009, 08:42 PM	#2
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03-25-2009, 01:19 PM	#6
RabidAlien Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Hurst, Texas Posts: 2,823	We called our O2 generators "bombs". Basically, electrolysis of water generates H2 and O2...both very explosive gases. Its a tribute to the training and fast actions of the rest of the crew that the entire sub didn't go down. Fires spread insanely fast when you're in an enclosed can full of O2 supplies, fuel-oil, and other combustables. They dont' mention much except who needs to be blamed, but they did say that the one mechanic was killed by CO2 poisoning. Possibly by staying back inside the compartment and isolating it from the rest of the boat? __________________ Pillage, then burn. Argue not with dragons, for thou art crunchy and go well on toast.

03-24-2009, 10:12 PM	#4
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03-25-2009, 03:37 PM	#7
BombTaxi Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Brownhills, W. Mids, UK Posts: 1,189	This was a terrible, and by all accounts avoidable, tragedy. As Rabid and FF have said, it is a small mercy that the rest of the crew survived. Coroners are becoming increasingly vociferous in their condemnations of the MoD, and each death, combat or accidental, seems to cast new doubt on the ability of the MoD to provide adequate equipment and maintenance for our armed forces. One peculiar point of English law is that inquests on deceased service personnel are held in the county to which their remains are returned. Most RAF flight carrying remains used to come into Brize Norton in Oxfordshire, a county with a coroner particularly damning in his criticisms of MoD policy. Recent news coverage of remains returning to the UK has reported the flights coming into Lyneham, in the neighbouring county of Wiltshire, where the coroner is less strident in his views. While there may well be a perfectly good operation reason for the change, the MoD has not opted to divulge it, and it has left many observers in the UK wondering if the change has (perhaps unintentionally) taken some heat off the MoD. I truly hope this is not true, but the MoD seems to have shown little urge to answer the criticisms that have been made of it... __________________ Good generals think about tactics. Great generals think about logistics. "If freedom is to be saved and enlarged, poverty must be ended. There is no other solution." - Nye Bevan "Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to ask for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee" - John Donne, Meditation XVII

04-03-2009, 10:28 PM	#9
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04-03-2009, 10:33 PM	#10
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