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Old 05-10-2007, 09:02 PM   #31
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Well said.

"I support the troops, but..."

"I am a 2nd Amendment supporter, but..."

"I recognize that radical Islam wants to kill our children, but..."

"I concur that American education is subpar, but..."

"I believe in free speech, but..."

"We should minimize gov't spending, but..."

"We cannot tax ourselves into prosperity, but..."

"We have an illegal alien problem, but..."

yaddah, yaddah, yaddah...
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so Matt what I hear you saying is ............ ?

time for vigelante's ? no mercy !
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The Democratic party is a racist, communist organization.

It comes down to a question of how you want to be judged; by who you are or by what you are.

Who you are is conservative.
What you are is liberal.

Democrats want to segragate the population by race, sex, sexual preference, etc...
unless you're a white male.

And the rich Republican crap is gettin old. Especially from the mouths of Ted Kennedy, Jon Corzine, and others. Never knew a poor day in their life. And its because of this idealology of "everybody is equal" that they'll allow any nutcase to this country so they can "help" them. I feel like Nero lookin for his fiddle.
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Ditto.
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some more garbage from the media...entrapment.

Informants scrutinized in Fort Dix case - Yahoo! News
Informants scrutinized in Fort Dix case
By GEOFF MULVIHILL, Associated Press Writer
Thu May 10, 6:20 PM ET

CHERRY HILL, N.J. - He railed against the United States, helped scout out military installations for attack, offered to introduce his comrades to an arms dealer, and gave them a list of weapons he could procure, including machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades.

These were not the actions of a terrorist, but of a paid FBI informant who helped bring down an alleged plot by six Muslim men to massacre U.S. soldiers at New Jersey's Fort Dix.

And those actions have raised questions of whether the government crossed the line and pushed the six men down a path they would not have otherwise followed.

It is an argument — entrapment — that has been made in other terrorism cases, and one that has failed miserably in this post-Sept. 11 era.

One defense attorney on the case, Troy Archie, said no decision has been made on whether to argue entrapment, but based on the FBI's own account, "the guys sort of led them on."

Rocco Cipparone, a lawyer for another one of the defendants, said he will take a hard look at "the role of paid informants and how aggressive they were in potentially prodding or moving things along."

The Fort Dix Six were arrested earlier this week after a 15-month FBI investigation that relied heavily on two paid informants who secretly recorded meetings and telephone conversations in which the suspects talked of killing "in the name of Allah."

U.S. Attorney Christopher Christie defended the government's handling of the case. He and the FBI portrayed the defendants as Muslim fanatics who were nearly ready to strike. They were arrested Monday night during what the FBI said was an attempt to buy AK-47 machine guns, M-16s and other weapons.

Former FBI agent Kevin Barrows said prosecutors appeared to have done things right.

"They corroborated with surveillance, and they had a gun buy set up," Barrows said. "That further solidified the case, as opposed to it just being a tape of somebody saying, `Yeah, I want to buy guns.' They worked this for a long time and the evidence seems really, really solid."

Prosecutors portrayed the six men — Serdar Tatar, 23; Agron Abdullahu, 24; Mohamad Ibrahim Shnewer, 22; Dritan "Anthony" or "Tony" Duka, 28; Shain Duka, 26; and Eljvir "Elvis" Duka, 23 — as driven by hatred of America, a description disputed by relatives and acquaintances.

"I never in my wildest dreams imagined what they've been accused of," said Ismail Badat, trustee of the Islamic Center of South Jersey in Palmyra, where the Duka brothers worshipped.

The same documents that prosecutors used to build a case against the suspects also depict them as somewhat disorganized, lackluster plotters. And clumsy and amateurish, too: The FBI learned of the alleged plot when the men went to a Circuit City store and asked a clerk to transfer a jihad training video of themselves onto a DVD. Also, they mistakenly thought an AK-47 costs $500, instead of $1,500 to $3,000.

Also, one of the men, Tatar, called a Philadelphia police officer in November, saying that he had been approached by someone who was pressuring him to obtain a map of Fort Dix, and that he feared the incident was terrorist-related, according to court documents.

"It could be a defense, that he felt he was being pressured to do things and actually called law enforcement to report it," Sohail Mohammed, a lawyer and Muslim community leader in New Jersey who is not involved in the case.

Entrapment occurs when law enforcement officials entice others into committing a crime they otherwise would not have committed. Under the law, people cannot be convicted if they were entrapped. But there is no entrapment if a person is willing to break the law and law officers offer to help.

"If the source talks them into committing a crime, that is entrapment," said retired FBI agent Craig Dotlo, a 32-year veteran. But "if they are predisposed to commit a crime, and you give them the opportunity, that's fine."

Among other things, even before the informant presented the list of weapons he said he could get, Dritan Duka unwittingly asked an undercover federal agent he had seen at a firing range about where he might buy an AK-47 or M-16, according to the FBI.

Archie, the defense attorney, conceded it is difficult to win an entrapment defense. "Basically, if they are just constantly pushing someone to go in a particular direction," he said. "It's just got to be obvious, obvious entrapment for it to fly."

Attorney Henry Klingeman unsuccessfully argued that government agents had entrapped London merchant Hemant Lakhani, convicted in New Jersey in 2005. Lakhani was caught in a sting trying to arrange the sale of at least 50 shoulder-fired missiles for shooting down American airliners. He is serving a 47-year prison sentence.

"In the post-9/11 era, the entrapment defense is basically useless," Klingeman said. "For a defendant, merely saying he wishes he could do harm to America, the jury has heard enough."

Entrapment also failed as a defense in the case of Shahwar Matin Siraj, who was convicted in New York City of plotting to blow up the Herald Square subway station in 2003. Authorities had recruited an Egyptian man as an informant.

Siraj's lawyer, Martin R. Stolar, argued at trial that Siraj had no interest in violence until the informant showed him photos of prisoners being abused at Abu Ghraib and told him it was his duty as a Muslim to retaliate. Siraj was found guiity and sentenced to 30 years.

"The government often overreaches in its zeal to give itself a pat on the back," Stolar said. "In my case, my position was that they created the crime in order to solve the crime so that they could then claim a victory in the war on terror."

Vincent Henry, director of the Homeland Security Management Institute at Long Island University and a 21-year veteran of the New York Police Department, said he is convinced that the Fort Dix defendants really were capable of pulling off such an attack.

"I'm sure they were," he said. "The arrests were made as they were on their way to purchase the weapons, or at least some of the weapons. They had seemed to plan it out very, very well."
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Entrapment my ass, its not like they were busted trying to pick up Mary Rottencrotch at the corner of Wilkshire and LeMoyne for Christsakes....
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No sh!t, Dan. What the hell are we becoming?? These guys were terrorists, plain and simple. I hate the media as much as politicians.
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I'm sorry if I keep posting these news articles but this cr*p is exactly whats wrong with many things in this country. Illegal immigrants with rights, radical religions with rights and us commoners under threat. And its in my backyard. Just too close to home.

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Jihad in Suburbia: What sparked a change in Fort Dix terror suspects?
Sunday, May 13, 2007
By Mark Mueller
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By most accounts, they were typical teenagers, focused on music and friends. They played soccer on the lawn and smiled easily. In their multicultural communities, the foreign-born youths blended in.

But in the years between adolescence and adulthood, something changed. They paid little attention to their studies. They hardened. They came to find pleasure and purpose in the extremist philosophy of jihad, authorities say.
Federal prosecutors say the six men arrested Monday in a plot to kill American soldiers at Fort Dix, N.J., represent a new and frightening breed of zealot: the terrorist next door.

Friends and family members offer contrasting portraits of the men. Committed to family. Hardworking. In some cases, affable.

Dozens of interviews conducted in recent days reveal a mixed picture of the defendants, shedding new light on their years in New Jersey and, in some cases, on their ideological transformation.

One law enforcement official said that transformation had already been completed when the FBI was alerted to the group 15 months ago.

"Something happened from the time these guys were in high school until now," said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

"How they congealed, how they formed this tight-knit group is unknown," the official said. "By the time we got to them, they were already radicalized."

MOHAMAD SHNEWER

He is the public face of the plot, the man whom authorities have characterized as the most committed to causing "carnage."
Mohamad Ibrahim Shnewer, a 22-year-old cab driver in Philadelphia, showed his friends the last will and testament of two of the Sept. 11 hijackers and smiled when watching Internet videos depicting the deaths of American soldiers, prosecutors say.

"My intent is to hit a heavy concentration of soldiers," he allegedly told an FBI informant.
Those words came as a shock to many who know Shnewer, a U.S. citizen who emigrated from Jordan two decades ago. Shnewer's family settled in Cherry Hill and opened a small grocery store in nearby Pennsauken.

Short and stocky, Shnewer graduated from Cherry Hill High School West, a multicultural school of some 1,500 students, and went on to Camden County College. But he never completed his studies, instead taking a job at the family store.

By the time he began driving a cab three months ago, he already was deep into the plot's final preparations, authorities say.

Friends and family members say the federal government's claims simply don't square with the man they know.

"He's honest. He's smart. He never fought with anybody," said his mother, Faten Shnewer.

An uncle in Pennsauken said Shnewer "can't even kill a chicken," let alone U.S. soldiers, and contended the government had elevated "babbling" among Shnewer and his friends into an exaggerated criminal case.

The oldest of six children, Shnewer sometimes worshipped with his father, who shares the same name, at Al-Aqsa Islamic Society in Philadelphia.

He also worked with his father at All-City Taxi, a South Philadelphia dispatch service. Co-workers recalled the son as hardworking and friendly.
While the elder Shnewer was known to pray in the office, neither he nor his son showed any sign of zealotry, employees said.

"We had no problem with them," owner Maria Perri said.
THE BROTHERS DUKA

Ferid Beroulli remembers them as "smiling faces."

Dritan, Shain and Eljvir Duka would occasionally worship with their father at the Albania Islamic Cultural Center on Staten Island, where Beroulli is a long-serving imam.

The Dukas, natives of Macedonia who had entered the United States illegally through Mexico in 1984, lived in Brooklyn at the time. Later, they moved to Cherry Hill.

Ferik Duka, the children's father and a roofer by trade, was "a hard worker," Beroulli said. The three boys, now in their 20s, did not stand out, the imam said. "Just young kids."

There are no records that Dritan friendly, outgoing, always ready to tell jokes ever went to school in New Jersey. But the two others Shain and Eljvir, commonly known as Elvis attended Cherry Hill High School West before dropping out and following their father into the roofing business.

It was about seven years ago when the Duka brothers began to change, said a cousin, Ramiz Duka, also of Cherry Hill. They grew their beards long and began to argue with him about religion.

A practicing Muslim, Ramiz Duka said his cousins criticized him for listening to the Albanian music he loves, dressing in Americanized clothes and not praying properly.
"They started changing in their attitudes," he said. "I thought something was wrong with them. I didn't want my kids to learn what they were learning, what they were saying, what they were thinking. About some kind of a tradition of Islam that has nothing to do with Islam. I had arguments about what I believe and what they believe."

Ramiz Duka said he was so troubled he stopped visiting.
SERDAR TATAR

It was the quintessential immigrant success story.

Muslim Tatar legally brought his family to the United States from Turkey in 1992, and with hard work established a home in Cherry Hill and a business, a pizzeria named Super Mario's, practically in the shadow of Fort Dix and McGuire Air Force Base.

With their lunches and dinners, soldiers and airmen put cash in the family's pockets.

Today, authorities say, the father's son, Serdar, is charged with plotting to kill "as many soldiers as possible."

The younger Tatar, 23, had once worked at the pizzeria and made deliveries to Fort Dix. He knew the layout well and planned to use the restaurant as a launching point for the attack, authorities said.

But the portrait of Tatar presented in court filings is a complex one, by turns depicting him as eager to kill and hesitant to go along with the others in the case.

Married to a Russian-born woman now pregnant with twins, Tatar went to Philadelphia police in November of last year, telling them he was being pressured to steal a map of Fort Dix in what could be a terrorist plot, according to the criminal complaint.
The information made its way to the FBI, and agents questioned Tatar. He apparently had a change of heart: According to the complaint, Tatar denied a plot was in place.

Authorities say he subsequently stole a map of Fort Dix from the pizzeria.
Later still, in a recorded conversation, Tatar allegedly pledged himself to the plan "in the name of Allah."

Tatar's father denied his son planned to harm anyone.

"He is not a terrorist," Muslim Tatar said. "I am not a terrorist."

Like four of his co-defendants, Tatar attended Cherry Hill High School West; he dropped out after his junior year. Most recently, Tatar lived in Philadelphia and worked as a clerk at a 7-Eleven near Temple University.

In the years since high school, Tatar maintained another link with some of his co-defendants, worshipping with them at the South Jersey Islamic Center in Palmyra. Authorities have characterized Tatar as a radical.

His lawyer, Richard Sparaco, questions that view, saying he plans to highlight Tatar's visit to police late last year.

"This raises serious questions" about Tatar's guilt, Sparaco said. "Why would someone involved in a terrorism plot go to the police and tell them to contact the FBI?"

AGRON ABDULLAHU
Agron Abdullahu said he felt as if he'd been "reborn."

It was December 1999, and Abdullahu, a 17-year-old ethnic Albanian, had been living in the United States since the spring, resettled from his war-riven homeland in Yugoslavia. With his parents and three younger siblings, he landed at Fort Dix with more than 4,000 other Kosovars.
The Abdullahus spent several months at the base before finding a home in Williamstown. That's where a Philadelphia Inquirer reporter interviewed the family about the progress of the resettlement. Agron Abdullahu said he loved his adopted country.

"People are friendly and help me with anything," the teen was quoted as saying in the Dec. 7, 1999, story. Living in the United States, he said, is "like I am reborn here for a second time."

Abdullahu, now 24 and living in Atlantic County, had been employed as a baker in a supermarket when the FBI arrested him Monday and charged him with aiding and abetting the plot. Authorities say he provided three of the defendants with weapons.

The law enforcement official who spoke on condition of anonymity said Abdullahu has known the co-defendants for years but did not appear to share the their extreme views.

Short and slight, with a crew cut and a closely cropped beard, Abdullahu was described by co-workers as thoroughly Americanized, a rap music fan prone to jokes and hearty laughter.

But there were hints of a darker side.

Bob Watts, who worked in the supermarket's bakery with him, said Abdullahu referred to Osama bin Laden as "Uncle Benny" and once showed him recipes for homemade bombs.


.....and the ACLU and Democrats will support this over and over and over.
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The arrest last week of six foreign-born Muslims allegedly planning to kill soldiers at Fort Dix raised a series of thorny immigration issues, some of which may come before Congress next week.

Three of the alleged terrorists were living in the United States illegally, but were able to run a pizzeria and launch a roofing business without fear of prosecution from federal immigration authorities.
The same three suspects Eljvir Duka, Shain Duka, and Dritan Duka of Cherry

Hill had been stopped by New Jersey police for multiple traffic violations, but were never turned over to the federal government for deportation.

"It is a very big issue. It raises a big red flag," said U.S. Rep. Frank LoBiondo.

LoBiondo, R-2nd Dist., noted that the House last year had passed a bill that would have authorized state and local police officers to identify, apprehend, arrest and detain illegal aliens and then transfer them into federal custody. He claimed that the same measure ought to be approved again.

"Local law enforcement in many cases will be our first line of defense with a terrorist who may be in our midst," LoBiondo said Friday."

But Jonathan Hafetz, an attorney specializing in national security law at the New York University Brennan Center for Justice, cautioned against any change to the historic division of labor in immigration enforcement.

Federal officials, he said, generally have had the sole responsibility for enforcing federal laws. Authorizing state and local police to arrest and detain illegal immigrants will allow for abuses of immigrants' rights, Hafetz warned. ( my italics!)

"Under the pretext of national security, what you'll get is a lot of anti-immigrant action by state and local officials carrying out biases against immigrants," Hafetz stated.
Law-enforcement agencies should not embrace policies that discourage immigrants from providing tips to police, Hafetz added. "It's actually contrary to the best type of policing for national security purposes," Hafetz stated.

Now that Democrats control the U.S. House, Congress is less likely to pass a bill that would allow state and local authorities to arrest and detain illegal immigrants, LoBiondo said.
Senate lawmakers hope to take up a comprehensive immigration bill this week. It's not yet clear whether they have drafted a measure that can get the 60 votes needed to end a filibuster.

"The important thing is, no one has walked away from these negotiations," U.S. Sen. Robert Menendez told reporters on Thursday.

Any final Senate bill should impose fines upon scofflaws who have entered the country illegally but afford undocumented workers a path to permanent residency, said Menendez, D-N.J. The measure should maintain U.S. immigration policy that focuses on re-unifying and strengthening families, he added.

The Fort Dix terrorism case makes the need for immigration reform "more compelling," Menendez claimed.

"I would rather know who is here in America to pursue the American dream versus who is here to destroy it," Menendez said.

Jack Martin, special projects director for the Federation for American Immigration Reform, claimed that the Fort Dix terror plot had undermined the call advanced by President Bush and by some Democratic officials to create a new path-to-citizenship program that would allow illegal aliens, after 13 years, to apply for permanent residency.

The Fort Dix case "points out the stupidity of trying to adopt an amnesty for all of the people in the country illegally," said Martin, whose group favors added border security measures.

"The idea of screening 12 million or more illegal aliens would be very superficial, and simply give persons, such as the three illegal aliens (in the Fort Dix case), the documents to freely travel and conduct terrorist operations in the country," Martin added.
Spokesmen for the federal Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement declined comment for this story. They referred calls about the ongoing criminal case to the federal prosecutor's office in New Jersey. The New Jersey U.S. Attorney's Office, in turn, said it did not have any additional information about the suspects' immigration history.

The public record about the Dukas' driving infractions is lengthy, however.
Eljvir Duka in 2002 was twice arrested by Washington Township police on outstanding traffic warrants. He had 23 active points on his driver's permit at the time of his arrest last week. His permit he never had a license was suspended 24 times for a range of alleged infractions such as failing to appear in court, failing to pay surcharges, and operating a vehicle on a suspended license, according to the New Jersey Motor Vehicle Commission.

New Jersey authorities suspended Dritan Duka's driving privileges indefinitely after his visa expired in June 2006. Previously, his license had been revoked 11 times. He had five points on his driver's history at the time of his terrorism arrest.

Shain Duka had a valid driver's license at Tuesday's arrest, despite 19 previous suspensions. "He's currently paid in full," said a spokesman for the New Jersey Motor Vehicle Commission.

Information sharing between federal, state and local authorities still must improve, lawmakers say.

State and local law enforcement officers ought to be able to check a computer database, say, from a cruiser on the highway, to assess whether a traffic violation suspect is an illegal alien, or whether he has been listed as a terrorism suspect on a federal watch list, LoBiondo claimed.

"We're way past due in needing to enable local law enforcement. What we have been doing is tying their hands," LoBiondo stated. "We've got to reverse that 180 degrees and enable them so that they're part of this bigger (anti-terrorism) picture."
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Mkloby, and others, I share your opinion of the democrat party but I believe the media is a bigger threat to our way of life, our values and our culture. The far left of the dem party would not have nearly the power it has today if it were not aided and abetted by the media. I wish that TV had never been invented. Our country and the whole world would be better off in almost every way without TV.
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19 prior suspensions. An illegal. How do you suspend someone's license if they don't officially have one.

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We could read books and look at the pictures. In fact that is where I get almost all of my history anyway. Interesting thing about history books is that if you read enough books about a certain event sometimes you wonder if the books are talking about the same event. Then you have to put all the renditions together, add a little common sense and pick what to believe. The worrisome thing to me today is that too many young people are getting their history from one source and they think that that source is the last word and it may very well be slanted or just inaccurate. an example that we all are aware of is how many times have you seen on TV that the P51 was the premier fighter of the WW2? That is a minor example of what I mean.
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