UK Teachers to stop teaching the Holocaust...

[Njaco]

Ok!

[KrazyKraut]

Originally Posted by Kruska

Yes they could have, but why should they, after all the UN resolution in 1947 was unjust and unfair and therefore the Israeli should volunteer to pack their belongings and resettle in Australia, since you don't give a rats ass about "rightfull inhabiting"

It's that kind of thinking that leads to World Wars, including the last one. We want what we want because we think were right (it's not like Israelis didn't live in that region before) and we rather spend the next six decades killing and dieing instead of arranging for the sake of peace. I mean it's not like there was any chance of winning and all I achieve is more suffering among my own people, but why should I stop? I mean afterall it's me who's right.

And acknowledgement is the macic word, if Israel would ever acknowledge the wrong doing against the Palestinians the problem could be solved. Unfornunatly the only Israeli President who actually did acknowledge this was shot by an Israeli fanatic.

Because we didn't see what happens if Isreal gives into Palestinian demands and makes concessions: The Muslims respect that and show their goodwill... oh wait they don't

Yes you are correct, and against a middle aged society no one should show muscles, because they will react exactly in the same manner

No against a middle aged society you can only react with muscle, because that is the only language they speak.

And it's not like we couldn't deal with the situation. But thanks to people like you, feeling all politically correct far away from the trouble and "oh boy those poor Palestinian Robin Hoods", we rather turn on our own friends instead of showing the unity that was appropriate.

"unless" the US and Europe would pump billions of $$ into Palestine so that every Palestinian would realize that a good living and a thriving economy is much better then dying for a lost cause, and the US and Europe need to give the Muslim world face, even if this would be interpreted by some people -as by one post above - as kiss ass.

Oh boy, i think the next chancellor candidate of "Die Linke" is among us.
Well let's take a look at Muslims here in our countries:
Are they living well? Yes.
Are tensions decreasing? No. On the contrary to be exact.
Hmm...

[plan_D]

All this about what is right and wrong bores me...what happened to the good old days when you could invade and do whatever you want; as long as you won...

I think both Israel and Palestine are in the wrong; but then the Western World is in the wrong too for getting involved. Let them fight it out amongst themselves if they can't live happily ever after, then lets see one of them exterminated.

After believing that I could work out who was right or wrong I have come to the conclusion that the Middle East is still in the 12th Century. It's nothing to do with oil, religion, revenge or any of that - it's simply tribal. The same applies to gangs, cults, extremist groups and all that. And it's the same in a lot of African nations that are riddled with "Civil War". You can't stop the violence over there because there's no real reason for them to be fighting; sure in whatever century BC the Persians held Palestine... but I don't read a history book and see that Henry VI was King of England and France then go around declaring a French passport because Britain should own it anyway.

No one really cares who owned what thousands of years ago. Or even 100 years ago... it's just that they're all tribal, uncivilised morons. The same applies to those "clans" or "rebels" in Africa, South-East Asia, Russia ...and the same applies to your gangs in all the Western nations. Only consider it a problem when it affects you...otherwise just let 'em slog it out.

It all belonged to Britain anyway!

[Njaco]

God Save the Queen!!!!

[Haztoys]

kruska...Tell use why we the west has to pump billion in to Palestine's ..When the Medal East has some of the richest country in the world...Why...???

Its always killed me how they have some of the poor's and richest people in the world ...And countrys like Saudi Arabia have all this money to put up these big hotels...But let the country around them live so poor ..Then point fingers at the west ..And blame there wars on the west that started when time be gain..And in the US's case was not even a countrys when the wars started...

[Kruska]

Originally Posted by KrazyKraut

Oh boy, i think the next chancellor candidate of "Die Linke" is among us.

That is really big news, the majority of people who know my political views keep telling me that I am conservative and racist and right wing - depending on the issue.
So you must be very, very extreme right

I am sure "after reading your opinions" that if you would have been born as a Palestinian in "lovely" Gaza, you would be already a ISLAMIC HERO who's photo would be framed behind glass with stiched Islamic phrases on it.

Regards
Kruska

[Kruska]

Originally Posted by Haztoys

kruska...Tell use why we the west has to pump billion in to Palestine's ..When the Medal East has some of the richest country in the world...Why...???

Its always killed me how they have some of the poor's and richest people in the world ...And countrys like Saudi Arabia have all this money to put up these big hotels...But let the country around them live so poor ..Then point fingers at the west ..And blame there wars on the west that started when time be gain..And in the US's case was not even a countrys when the wars started...

If a peacefull settlement could be reached in regards to an independent Palestine state, off course the wealthy Arab States would have to contribute just as much as the western states. That would be part of an over all agreement.
And it would make more sense then spending these billions on military hardware which do not help to settle the problem at all.

The Muslims blame the USA since 1947 and I would say that in this time the USA actually allready existet since almost 170 years.

Let me put a question to you; why is it, that the US have "only" supported Israel since 1947? because it was their fantastic idea?

The only time the USA ever interfered against Israel was Yom Kippur when they got aware that Israel had launched nuclear weapon carrying a/c flying towards Arab capital cities and -(likely one towards Germany)-?
Egypt was only supported in order to get out the Russians. Saudi Arabia, Kuweit and the UAE, well I think everybody knows why.

Iran was the only country besides Turkey that borderd to the south east of NATO and Israel always complained in agony at the US for getting too friendly with Iran.

Who controls or has such a tremendous influence on the government of the USA in order to be so one sided?

Well let's see if after the last sentence KK still thinks me being a leftist.

Anyway, if the US keeps its present direction it will cause a "big" bang sooner or later. The only way to avoid this is either kill all Arabs and Muslims, or kill all Israeli + Muslims, or bang those fu...ers heads and force them to negotiate - Israel will only be willing to negotiate once they are aware that the US will not back them anymore through billions of $$ in military and economic aid.

Regards
Kruska

[Kruska]

Originally Posted by plan_D

It all belonged to Britain anyway!

I knew it all the way along, the whole thing is actually a British problem. So get your Gurkas there and solve it okay

Regards
Kruska

[Njaco]

Kruska, 2 points.

1. I can think of one reason for the US to be involved since 1947. What country has the largest population of jews since WWII? That might be one answer.

2. I think that what is being lost and only jumped around here is that Western ideas of conflict and resolution I don't think apply because we haven't figured out how to address the one problem - a lot of this is an issue of faith and religion. I know of no way (except cult indoctrination) that you can change ones faith. Hard core religious beliefs are difficult if not impossible to overcome.


and Haz has a good point. Why are they parking their Mercedes in tents?

[fly boy]

why not just not care about muslums

[Haztoys]

Originally Posted by Kruska

If a peacefull settlement could be reached in regards to an independent Palestine state, off course the wealthy Arab States would have to contribute just as much as the western states. That would be part of an over all agreement.
And it would make more sense then spending these billions on military hardware which do not help to settle the problem at all.

The Muslims blame the USA since 1947 and I would say that in this time the USA actually allready existet since almost 170 years.

Let me put a question to you; why is it, that the US have "only" supported Israel since 1947? because it was their fantastic idea?

The only time the USA ever interfered against Israel was Yom Kippur when they got aware that Israel had launched nuclear weapon carrying a/c flying towards Arab capital cities and -(likely one towards Germany)-?
Egypt was only supported in order to get out the Russians. Saudi Arabia, Kuweit and the UAE, well I think everybody knows why.

Iran was the only country besides Turkey that borderd to the south east of NATO and Israel always complained in agony at the US for getting too friendly with Iran.

Who controls or has such a tremendous influence on the government of the USA in order to be so one sided?

Well let's see if after the last sentence KK still thinks me being a leftist.

Anyway, if the US keeps its present direction it will cause a "big" bang sooner or later. The only way to avoid this is either kill all Arabs and Muslims, or kill all Israeli + Muslims, or bang those fu...ers heads and force them to negotiate - Israel will only be willing to negotiate once they are aware that the US will not back them anymore through billions of $$ in military and economic aid.

Regards
Kruska

Kruska

Why is it you always turn statements around and not answer back when your ship gets sunk...You said .."The US and Europe should give billion.." Not a word on the Arabs ..And in this post your ship got sunk ..So you bring up the Arabs ..You feel the west is the problem there and should pay all the bill ..Like alot of the world.. ..You never answered the point that the Palestinian have no intention of peace and working it out with the Israeli's ...They will not stop at just land and nether will the Arab world ...Until the Israeli's are exterminated...Just as the Nazis were trying to do to the Jews.. So it would be OK to support the Nazi...?????...The US will not support the Palestinians until they say that Israel has a right to have a country in that part of the world..Most of the Arab world does not feel the Jews should be there...Hows the Palestinian fight song goes..."we will push Israel into the sea"...The Palestinians have land..But they want ALL the land..And no I do not think that Israels a saints...But they have a right to a peace of land in that part of the world as do the Palestinians...Google "Palestinian school map" Kruska do it..And then till me why its OK for the Palestinians to teach the kids this way..?..Sort of like the Japanese teaching there kids that they never did what they did in WW11.....There maps that show and teach their kids do not show the Israel is even there..

And The US is the one that pushed the Israels to give back the land from the two wars that the Arabs started and Israel won...Why do country start a war get their but kicked then say we were victims now give us back what we lost..

The one key to peace over there is Israels right to be there..Until the Arabs and the Palestinians do this America will support them...And should ...

And on the big bang...Trust me Bro ...I'm all for America giving up on that part of the world... And most Americans feel the same way... We give more to the Arab world then anyone...

Supporting the Palestinians would be like supporting the Nazi's ..A group of people who want to wipe out a nother group to the point there no longer on the plant...And as not all Germans were Nazi's and not all Palestinians are kills ..But as in Germany at the time the good people let it happen..

[fly boy]

soon i fear we might be the last couple of generations that know about the holocasut

[Haztoys]

Originally Posted by fly boy

soon i fear we might be the last couple of generations that know about the holocasut

You right on that statement...As they say.. History forgotten is repeated..

[Kruska]

Originally Posted by Haztoys

Kruska

Why is it you always turn statements around and not answer back when your ship gets sunk...You said .."The US and Europe should give billion.." Not a word on the Arabs ..And in this post your ship got sunk ..So you bring up the Arabs ..You feel the west is the problem there ......

Hello Haztoys,

Please don't give me this sh..t about "always turning my statements" So far I have "never" turned my statements.

I simply didn't deem it necessary to mention every country, because the US, the Jews and Europe caused this problem - not the Arabs - not the Muslims.
Since the whole world however is interested to solve this problem, even China, India and other UN members would/should be willing to forward financial support to stabalize this peace effort.

In contra to you, I am very well aware that Saudi Arabia and the UAE have already contributed a couple of billion $$ into Gaza, but it wasn't enough and half of it the Israeli's have already blown up in the meantime.

Now if I would be Israeli, I would not have returned the conquered territory - since it adds significantly to my security - since I would be aware that the Arabs are never going to accept the state of Israel unless the Palestinians would agree to it.
So being Israel I would have to settle with the Palestinians first above all others and not heat up the blind USA towards Iran.

Quote: Supporting the Palestinians would be like supporting the Nazi's ..

Sorry to say, but you really seem to have no Idea about the Nazi cause (what do they actually teach about the holocaust in US schools?) and the Palestinian cause, just like most members of your government.

Anyway I do not intend to get heated up with forum members because of some lunatic Jews and Arabs and a USA that is presently doing its best to fully unstabalize this totally fu....ed up part of our planet.

So with your permission I hereby rest my case.

Regards
Kruska

[Kruska]

Originally Posted by Njaco

Kruska, 2 points.

1. I can think of one reason for the US to be involved since 1947. What country has the largest population of jews since WWII? That might be one answer.

Thank you for saying that

2. I think that what is being lost and only jumped around here is that Western ideas of conflict and resolution I don't think apply because we haven't figured out how to address the one problem - a lot of this is an issue of faith and religion. I know of no way (except cult indoctrination) that you can change ones faith. Hard core religious beliefs are difficult if not impossible to overcome.

Force Israel to negotiate on even terms and the problem will be solved, that is my opinion.


and Haz has a good point. Why are they parking their Mercedes in tents?

Because they need the air conditioned garages for their camels

Regards
Kruska