UK Teachers to stop teaching the Holocaust...

[Kruska]

Originally Posted by fly boy

why not just not care about muslums

Ever heard of terrorists, bombs, innocent dead civilians and 9/11?

Regards
Kruska

[Hop]

the Palestinian have no intention of peace and working it out with the Israeli's ...They will not stop at just land and nether will the Arab world ...Until the Israeli's are exterminated...Just as the Nazis were trying to do to the Jews.. So it would be OK to support the Nazi...?????.

There are three main groups of Palestinians.

Those that remained in Israel in 1948 and, eventually, were granted full Israeli citizenship.

Those that live under Israeli military occupation in the West Bank and Gaza.

Those that live in other countries, frequently in refugee camps.

Terrorism is concentrated overwhelmingly amongst those living under military occupation in the West Bank and Gaza, with some support from those living in other countries as refugees.

Tellingly, those Palestinians who have been granted rights by Israel are not involved in terrorism.

How does that fit the theory that the Palestinians want the destruction of Israel?

The Palestinians have land..But they want ALL the land

The only land the Palestinians have is under Israeli military occupation. 40% of the West Bank has been reserved for Jewish settlement, and the restrictions on Palestinian life have been increased to provide for the Jewish settlers.

And no I do not think that Israels a saints...But they have a right to a peace of land in that part of the world as do the Palestinians...Google "Palestinian school map" Kruska do it..And then till me why its OK for the Palestinians to teach the kids this way..?

If you look at the source of the stories, you will find they all come from one of 2 sources, the Israeli government or Palestinian Media Watch/ Center for Monitoring the Impact of Peace, both groups set up by a man called Itamar Marcus. Marcus is a right wing Israeli settler who has worked for Benjamin Netanyahu, the former Israeli prime minister.

Neither of these is an impartial source.

What neither will tell you is that the Palestinian text books they are criticising are the old, pre Palestinian Authority books from Jordan and Egypt, that Israel used in Palestinian schools during the occupation (and last time I looked, still does in East Jerusalem).

For a more impartial study on Palestinian schooling, see DEMOCRACY, HISTORY, AND THE CONTEST OVER THE PALESTINIAN CURRICULUM

And what the Israeli pressure groups on the internet never give you is the other side of the story. Whilst they complain the Palestinians show only "Palestine", with no Israel, Israeli textbooks show only Israel, with the West Bank and Gaza an integral part of the state of Israel. See for example PM Olmert backs Tamir proposal to add Green Line to textbooks - Haaretz - Israel News

Whilst the education minister was calling for that to change, I don't think it has yet.

[starling]

shameful indeed.the youngsters need to know all about this.from about 10yr old.lee.

[Njaco]

Hop, I don't think Israeli schools have programs with the message to kill the palestinians as I have seen in arab schools. And I don't see foreign teachers being arrested for teaching about Jesus Christ or naming a teddy bear Moses and threatened with death.

I constantly see a culture of hatred from the palestininas and arab nations. Not so much among Israel.

[Kruska]

Hello Njaco,

Off course I would not dispute that “some” lunatic Moslem groups teach to kill Jews, but it would be wrong to translate this on all Moslems.
In Israel they certainly do not teach it, but unfortunately they (Army) exercise it everyday. As you know the Semite tribe’s (Jews and Palestinians) have a saying: Eye for an Eye, tooth for a tooth. So whenever Palestinians or Israeli’s strike they need to exercise vengeance = it’s their tribal code.

As Hop (a very good post) has already pointed out, where Israel is treating the Palestinians or Moslems correctly there is no trouble. Israel was given 56% of the British mandate Palestine in 1947 by the UN despite only representing 30% of the total population. After the first Arab-Israeli war (were the Palestinians as such didn’t even participate) in 1948 Israel took over 100%.

As a consequence for loosing the war, the Arab country forced out about 700,000 Jews from their countries to Israel, and in turn the Israeli’s forced out about 700,000 Palestinians. (Who as I stated before never fought against Israel – excluding small bands of “freedom fighters” such as Israel was using against the British and Palestinians before independence in 1948.

In the past years Israel has offered the Palestinians an autonomous territory of less then 5% of the total former Palestine – would you accept that as a Palestinian? And as you know autonomous is not independent.

As I tried to point out in my posts many times, BOTH Israeli’s and Palestinians are the same breed, BOTH have their share on Lunatics, but it is wrong just to simply blame the Arabs/Muslims for everything, even wage and threaten them with war, and at the same time openly support ONLY Israel.

And in this matter Europe and the USA have a different viewpoint.

Regards
Kruska

[Njaco]

Well, I guess we have two different views although I do agree that there is enough blame to go all around. And like I said, I'm not very knowledgable but some of what I do know, I just don't understand why.

I would not dispute that “some” lunatic Moslem groups teach to kill Jews

This isn't some group when its being taught in the public schools and is on children's TV shows.

[Kruska]

Originally Posted by Njaco

This isn't some group when its being taught in the public schools and is on children's TV shows.

Hello Njaco,

may I ask in which public Arab school or childrens TV show have you seen this?

Regards
Kruska

[freebird]

Originally Posted by plan_D

After believing that I could work out who was right or wrong I have come to the conclusion that the Middle East is still in the 12th Century. It's nothing to do with oil, religion, revenge or any of that - it's simply tribal. The same applies to gangs, cults, extremist groups and all that. And it's the same in a lot of African nations that are riddled with "Civil War". You can't stop the violence over there because there's no real reason for them to be fighting;

True enough.....
Perhaps after he leaves office Bush can be the elder statesman {like Blair} and go to the Middle East, quote some passeges from the Koran about how they should all live together in peace & happiness ....

It all belonged to Britain anyway!

Bl**dy god-forsaken uninhabitable desert! They can't even play cricket or drink proper tea, what use are these people anyways?

[plan_D]

W. Bush going over to the Middle-East to accompany Tony Blair's mission would be amusing to watch. It would be fantastic if everyone could live in peace and harmony...I'm sure. And I know a lot of people think that it could be possible with the right words. But it's not possible... as long as there's humans there will be war... just face it. There's no such thing as right or wrong in conflict; there's the winner and the loser... and the quicker the West learns this and stops expending energy of stopping conflict the better. The only way it can be solved is by wiping out one side... and that doesn't mean wipe everyone over there out - just kill those who refuse to sit down and talk.

[Haztoys]

Originally Posted by Njaco

Hop, I don't think Israeli schools have programs with the message to kill the palestinians as I have seen in arab schools. And I don't see foreign teachers being arrested for teaching about Jesus Christ or naming a teddy bear Moses and threatened with death.

I constantly see a culture of hatred from the palestininas and arab nations. Not so much among Israel.

And when Palestinians as a country and people go to vote for new government who gets voted in power?? ...Hamas and Fatah ..This was a vote of the people ..That took a majority of the people..A none terrorist group...Now tale me that the majority of the Palestinians are not about hate..That would be like a country majority voting in the Nazi party ..Stalin into power..or the American KKK...The Arab world let the Al-Qaida new report there hate...

But the West is one sided........ ...( I do read Al-Qaida ..We all should ...Do the Arab world real by there BS...They have backed off there pro kill the west and push Israel in to the sea..Thats good)

Kruska... Why is it not ok for the Arabs and Palestinians to not recognize Israel's right to have land in that part of the world...And you say that the US should help the Palestinian as much as the Israels and not be so one sided..Then the Arab world should give there time money and backing to Israel...Right..

[Kruska]

Hello Haztoys,

As I mentioned before, turning back history for 2600 years in order to find a place for the dispersed and holocaust Jews, doesn’t make sense to me at all. If any one – especially – the US would have studied history they would have never supported this idiotic idea – good example = England the former mandate holder of Palestine refrained from its UN vote, very well knowing why.

However it happened. Presently only the US is strong enough to push both sides to an agreeable settlement and pushing does not include threatening Iran or attacking any surrounding Arab country.
Once an agreement is reached between Israel and Palestinians, money has to flow – if someone -besides Israel themselves- think that they would be in need for financial support, well the UN will control the cash, and if the rich Arab countries would not contribute into this cash box out of fear that the Israelis might get some bucks – well f..ck them, but the west and others would still have to pay in order to stabilize the situation.

On the other hand in regards to your “provoking” idea – Arabs pay Israel - This idea is about as brilliant as me forwarding why shouldn’t the Israelis take some of the billions of $ that Germany has paid and give a “nice-fat” share to the Palestinians.

Regards
Kruska

[Kruska]

Originally Posted by plan_D

The only way it can be solved is by wiping out one side... and that doesn't mean wipe everyone over there out - just kill those who refuse to sit down and talk.

Hmmm.... well I thought 007 was just a fictional character...if not well plase by all means help youself to it

Regards
Kruska

[Haztoys]

Kruska ..You still never answer what I ask .. .. The Med East is a pissing contest ..And I'm a fool for wasting time with this thread .. Good luck my friend ..I'm going to punt..

[Haztoys]

Originally Posted by plan_D

W. Bush going over to the Middle-East to accompany Tony Blair's mission would be amusing to watch. It would be fantastic if everyone could live in peace and harmony...I'm sure. And I know a lot of people think that it could be possible with the right words. But it's not possible... as long as there's humans there will be war... just face it. There's no such thing as right or wrong in conflict; there's the winner and the loser... and the quicker the West learns this and stops expending energy of stopping conflict the better. The only way it can be solved is by wiping out one side... and that doesn't mean wipe everyone over there out - just kill those who refuse to sit down and talk.

True words..As always plan-D

[fly boy]

Originally Posted by Haztoys

You right on that statement...As they say.. History forgotten is repeated..

agreed