UK Teachers to stop teaching the Holocaust...

[Njaco]

Just a thought but by denying them there right to believe if the Holocaust happened is that not the reverse of saying it did happen? or saying their anti Semitic! and racial slurs!, hate, the same as what the Jews have reminded us regularly they face daily. What difference?

No really sure what you're getting at but the difference? Its as big as right from wrong. It begins with morals and a gut feeling that you're being crapped on.

Do you like it when muslims have the right to wear head scarfs in courts, in the military, in almost anywhere but you can't wear shorts to school?

Do you like the United Negro College Fund, Black Miss America or Affirmative Action but can't be openly proud of your race?

Do you like illegal aliens who come across the border, can get health care, go to schools, not pay taxes, have organizations to provide lawyers for you and get a drivers license and you get a ticket for not wearing a seatbelt?

Isn't wonderful to see Louis Farrakhan spout hate and filth and lies while you can be sent to jail for painting a swatiska?

Its a cry for fair play and not everyone is playing by the rules. Of all those groups who shout the loudest, the Jewish faith have a right to focus on their plight - going back to Spain and the Bible.

Muslim countries like Iran shout there is no holocaust because they're racists, bigoted idiots. Its reverse racism and discrimination unlike the percieved slights against other minorities and religions.

Well I guess I can say their are no Muslim members here?

This being an international forum, I'm sure Muslims would be welcome here as long as they show respect to everyone else regardless of religon or personal opinion. But I can't see that happening. Don't know any muslim who is that forgiving.

[Lucky13]

Pol Pot and Idi Amin will probably be in the top 10....
With some of that I've read...I fear that history will repeat itself thanks to all the f*cking f*annies and idiots that run the scool system today and those pain in the *rse w*nkers that's running this with political correctness sh*te...
You can't teach without telling and showing the truth and by doing so, it won't be political correct, because you might offend someone....!
Why don't you all go and f*ck your neighbours dog you bl**dy two timing no good f*cking *ssholes...!!!

[Njaco]

I think you just said what I did but in a slight ruffian way!

[Lucky13]

....and I was being polite and political correct about it....

[Adolf Galland Fighter ace]

I guess this is my point quickly, if only Jews can speak of the Holocaust which is there freedom then why can't another disagree? Like the way it seems today all can have there opinion but whites, what ever we say or believe is raciest, at least from where I look. IMHO

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by Adolf Galland Fighter ace

I guess this is my point quickly, if only Jews can speak of the Holocaust which is there freedom then why can't another disagree? Like the way it seems today all can have there opinion but whites, what ever we say or believe is raciest, at least from where I look. IMHO

I dont quite understand what you are getting at.

How can anyone disagree that the Holocaust happened?

[Lucky13]

Bit confused myself mate....holocaust happened...end of story.

[Adolf Galland Fighter ace]

No disputing the holocaust, tons of film and text on the subject, just saying we don't like everyone else seems to be able to do what they want, but if a white person looks the wrong way it is discrimination, yet many blacks and Muslims say and want to live in a different country but expect us too bow to there every wish.
Rap that if reversed would get a white person arrested is cool and nothing said or done.
My point is we want the right to freedom of speech or thought and don't have in reality but when I think it was Iran that said there was no holocaust we want to drop a nuke on them.
We can disagree as is are right but they too have right to speak, even if there are no moral values.
It's the difference between civilized and Neanderthal thinking.

I hope this makes more sense on what I'm trying to say, I can't express any other way to put it.
The fact America has a Kosher tax I think shows the belief without any doubt the Holocaust happened.

[Njaco]

What is a Kosher tax?

[Lucky13]

From Wikipedia...

The "Kosher tax" (or "Jewish tax") is a canard or urban legend spread by antisemitic, white supremacist and other extremist organizations such as the National Alliance and Ku Klux Klan. It refers to the claim that food producers must pay an exorbitant amount to obtain the right to display a symbol on their products (often a K or U in a circle) that indicates it is kosher or pareve, and that this cost is passed on to consumers through higher prices which constitute a “kosher tax”. Additional false claims are made that this “tax” is “extorted” from food companies wishing to avoid a boycott, and used to support Zionist causes or the state of Israel.

Racist groups encourage consumers to avoid this “Jewish tax” by boycotting kosher products, or by requesting a refund from the government on their income taxes. In 1997 the Canada Revenue Agency issued a news release noting the existence of flyers recommending that consumers claim a deduction on their taxes "because they supposedly contributed to a Jewish religious organization when they purchased these groceries." In it Jane Stewart, the Minister of National Revenue stated "The intent and message in this literature is deeply offensive to the Jewish community and, indeed, to all Canadians. The so-called ‘deduction' described in these flyers does not exist and I urge all taxpayers to ignore this misleading advice."

The actual cost to the consumer is generally minuscule; in 1975 the cost per item for obtaining kosher certification was estimated by The New York Times as being 6.5 millionths (0.0000065) of a cent per item for a typical product. This is more than offset by the advantages of being certified. Certification leads to increased revenues of sales by opening up the additional markets such as Jews who keep kosher; Muslims who keep halal; and vegans, Seventh-day Adventists, and the lactose intolerant who wish to avoid dairy products (products that are certified as pareve may meet this criterion). According to Berel Wein, “The cost of kashrut certification is always viewed as an advertising expense and not as a manufacturing expense.” Dispellers of the “kosher tax” legend argue that if it were not profitable to obtain such certification, then food producers would not engage in the certification process, and that the increased sales resulting from kosher certification actually lower the overall cost per item.

Obtaining certification that an item is kosher is a voluntary business decision made by companies desiring additional sales from consumers (both Jewish and non-Jewish) who look for kosher certification when shopping, and is actually specifically sought by marketing organizations within food production companies. The fees charged for kosher certification are used to support the operation of the certifying bodies themselves, and not Zionist causes or Israel.

[Gundrium]

Originally Posted by Matt308

If they did, the lefties would be the first to be maimed.

Here's another one... Go Canada!

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Quebec right on Muslims

While nobody was watching, Quebec quietly became the most self-confident province in the country. A series of events over the past few years have shown Quebec to be proud of its liberalism, proud of Western civilization and proud of itself.

The latest involves the Quebec government giving a Muslim woman who wants to be a prison guard a choice: She could either remove her hijab or she could train to be a prison guard. But she could not do both. The woman chose the hjiab.

Predictably, Muslim advocacy groups have been crying racism. “It is an ultimatum, remove the hijab or you’re out of here,” said the head of the Muslim Council of Britain. “That’s not a security issue, this is much more a bigoted issue.”

The government stuck to its guns.

“As a security measure, the hijab cannot be accepted as an element of the uniform to execute the functions of a correctional officer,” a department spokesman said.

The Muslim Council called for compromise — something that covers the hair and neck that isn’t a hijab — but the government refused.

This may seem unnecessarily rigid on the part of the government, but this is not an isolated issue. All across the Western world, Muslims are struggling to fit in, to balance the norms of liberal democracies with the requirements of their faith.

The wisest thing all societies can do is say, right from the beginning, there will be no compromise on liberal values. Muslims deserve equal rights, not special rights.
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You know... it's pretty bad when America/france's bastard child is doing more about racial inequality then EITHER COUNTRY!!!
A sad day indeed...

[Gundrium]

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

Please before you just go and jump into a discussion please read all the posts (atleast the 1st post that starts the discussion).

The UK is not denying the Holocaust and never has. The discussion is about TEACHERS refusing to teach the Holocaust because they do not want to offend the Muslims.

Refusing to teach it is THE SAME AS DENING IT!!! By refusing to teach it they are fundumentaly 'forgeting' it ever happened by never letting their children know it happened!! YES< THEY ARE tring to deny it's presence!!

[plan_D]

Correct me if I'm wrong but did you just refer to Canada as the United States and France's "bastard child"? Is that ignoring Great Britain's involvement in the creation of the nation?

[Njaco]

How about staying on our shores and worry about how the schools deny the existance of God, since you're on a teaching rant.

[Arsenal VG-33]

Originally Posted by Gundrium

You know... it's pretty bad when America/france's bastard child is doing more about racial inequality then EITHER COUNTRY!!!
A sad day indeed...

Actually, the French decided they could get around the Hijab problem by enforcing the country's secular laws and banning ALL religious symbols (which by French definition, include the Hijab) from public state buildings - including schools, libraries, hospitals, and any service involving the tax payer's money. I'm willing to bet thats more than what the US is doing.