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08-27-2009, 03:09 PM
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| Senior Member  Join Date: May 2009 Location: Hamlet, NC, US
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08-27-2009, 03:16 PM
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Hurst, Texas
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| Heh. Aren't our forces allowed to defend themselves once fired upon? Now....where'd we put those Seals with the sniper rifles.....
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08-27-2009, 03:24 PM
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Dallas, Tx
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| "You are clear to return fire......over" "Roger that"
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08-27-2009, 04:41 PM
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Ankeny, Iowa
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| I heard about this on the news this morning. I cannot believe the helicopter did not return fire. A few more instances like this and jack offs are going to be receiving some lead coming there way!
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08-29-2009, 09:39 AM
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| Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Hurst, Texas
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| Its hard to know the reasons without being there. Could be the hijack-offs lined the rails with ship's crew, and shot from behind them. Lord knows hijacking a ship and then firing on a US helicopter is not the smartest thing you can do in life, but using a human shield would've bought them a few extra hours of freedom. And breathing.
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09-03-2009, 02:13 AM
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: oregon
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| hard to know what the ROE were |
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09-03-2009, 08:47 AM
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| Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: United Kingdom
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I get the impression the pilot made the right decision I don't know how heavily USN surveillance missions are armed but he clearly observed until it got hot, then got out. The helicopter was fired upon by a heavy-calibre weapon; again, I don't know how heavily the USN arm their surveillance missions but the pilot probably figured he had more to lose than the pirates. If the pirates could bring one heavy-calibre weapon to the fight, what chance they can bring more up once they realised the helicopter wanted to trade? Could the helicopter take out/nullify as a threat the pirate ship? Unlikely notwithstanding my lack of knowledge of USN surveillance armament load-outs. Could the pirate ship take out the helicopter? Even if only one heavy-calibre weapon makes an appearance, much more likely. If the USN wanted to cause some hurt, they'd be back, on terms that the pirates couldn't hope to match. Shooting at the helicopter - bad idea. | |
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09-03-2009, 09:28 AM
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| "Shooter"   Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Moorpark, CA
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 | If you look at the NATO guidelines, give them food and water and release them after questioning, it is no wonder why this is such a problem. They aren't even being slapped on the wrist. Time to follow the 18th and 19th century Royal Navy standard and hang them from the yard arm. I have a branch of my family tree that were hanged for piracy. Was it effective? Maybe, maybe not, but at least SOME of them were put out of business. Knowing that the worst you are going to receive is being questioned sure makes that more attractive to young and poor kids.
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09-03-2009, 12:28 PM
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| Der Crewchief   Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany
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| Also you have to look at what the aircraft was armed with. If this was an SH-60 it would only be armed with 2 machine guns and possibly torpedos (which you are not going to use in this case). If the PC had ordered his crewchiefs to fire the machine guns, the chances of actually killing all the pirates at that distance is pretty slim. Then the hostages would have been in even more danger. So yeah, not being there, not knowing the ROE, not knowing all the circumstances, the Pilot did the right thing by not returning fire.
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09-03-2009, 02:19 PM
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Canvey Island, Essex
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| I think a few Q ships would not go a miss, IMO calling them pirates just makes them sound like Johnny Depp instead of armed, theiving bastards who should be blown out of the water. |
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09-03-2009, 02:43 PM
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I wonder what kind or helo armament adjustments they are considering making to choppers for pirate eradication .... the politics introduce the need for some non-lethal solutions sonic devices heat rays rubber bullet canister missiles bombs maybe upgraded lethal arms too.. exploding dolphins? . Last edited by comiso90; 09-03-2009 at 02:45 PM. | |
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09-04-2009, 02:04 PM
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| Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Hurst, Texas
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 Flipper was always a punk! Too cute for his own good!
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09-04-2009, 02:53 PM
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| Senior Member  Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: New Jersey
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 | I can't believe the helicopter was 3000 yards away. Looked like it was really close. Amazing. |
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