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06-21-2008, 07:18 PM
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#136 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by seesul  the real fans would never (and never do) something like that!
those are always ****ing bastards just making use of every situation that allows them to use the anonymity
it´s the same all around the world  | I agree completely...
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06-21-2008, 07:19 PM
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#137 | | Der Crewchief
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Country: | Sorry Holland! I was really hoping for a Germany vs. Holland Final.
You guys never have much luck though in international tournaments. Holland allways seems to do really well in the group stages and then bombs out in the Knockout stages.
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06-21-2008, 07:30 PM
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#138 | | Senior Member
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| oops.. just noticed the results of the week:
Spain-Russia 4-1
Russia - Holland 3-1
Holland - Italy 3-0
and tonight is Spain-Italy
thanks god soccer is not logical, otherwise better go home right away and don't even bother to sweat the shirts...
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06-21-2008, 08:16 PM
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| Second time I've seen Russia play this tourny, got to tell you they looked a little shakey in the begining but they sure came on strong. Made Holland look old..
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06-22-2008, 01:57 AM
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#140 | | Senior Member
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet Sorry Holland! I was really hoping for a Germany vs. Holland Final.
You guys never have much luck though in international tournaments. Holland allways seems to do really well in the group stages and then bombs out in the Knockout stages. | Yep, but  to the Russians. They played very well and deserved to win. Dutch players seemingly get nervous in knockout systems.
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06-22-2008, 02:29 AM
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Country:  | Wow. Russian beating the Dutch.
Now them would be good odds.
The difference was star man Andrei Arshavin who played and Ronaldo who didn't for Portugal. The Dutch seemed tired and ran out of gas.
Spain look doomed at this point as all the teams who have played well at the start are out and those that start slow and get beat are in. Football mad.
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06-22-2008, 06:16 AM
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#142 | | Der Crewchief
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Originally Posted by Marcel Yep, but to the Russians. They played very well and deserved to win. Dutch players seemingly get nervous in knockout systems. | Yeap unfortunatly for you guys, the Dutch have never been a very good tournament team.
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06-22-2008, 09:55 AM
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#143 | | Senior Member
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Country:  | i'm going for spain tonight, italy have been lucky to get this far, i think germany will be too strong for turkey as they dont often slip up in the later stagesof any compation.
spain v germany could be an interesting final
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06-22-2008, 12:04 PM
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| Actually, when and where Italy was lucky in this qualification?
They lost one game with Holland and they deserved to lose it, they had a null match with Romania where Italy can rightfully claim to have had bad luck (a non existing offside called on a valid Toni goal) and won with full merit with France.
You may say that france lost Ribery after 10 minutes, but to be fair you should also notice that Italy lost their best defender Cannavaro (ballon d'or 2006) immediately before the tournament, and if you don't mind this absence is at least balancing Ribery.
Lucky? I don't see any luck, just harvesting for what they did (nothing exceptional but enough to qualify to quarter finals), if we want to count cents and dimes Italy is actually a bit in credit with luck.
We all know that Rumania lost a big chance: had they won with holland they would have kicked out the champions and the vice-champions in one shot, but you can't blame it to Italy or France if Rumanians managed to lose a match with a B-Holland who had changed 9 out of 11 of the players.
So said, for tonight Spain looks better and, unless the fourth surprise result in four matches, will probably qualify.
I hope for the surprise of course, but Italy until now made too many errors in finalizing the attacks, and in soccer this is a heavy handicap because the opportunities are so rare.
To succeed Italy will have to play humble, cutting the supply to to Spanish attack at midfield, never lose concentration and hope that Toni will finally 'crosshair' the door. So far, the team scored 3 goals and none was signed by an attacker: this is the big limit of this team to date.
btw, don't forget Russia for the finals: if they repeat yesterday's match they can kick the ass of both Spain or Italy...
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06-22-2008, 12:40 PM
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#145 | | Senior Member
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one word: Mutu
with a full respect to Buffon, who´s with no doubts the best goalie in the world actually, you know, that no one can catch the penalty...the shooter can only score or throw it up...Mutu threw it up...
Don´t get me wrong please, I´m often in Italy and got a lot of friends there...
But think this year´s Italian team is only a shadow of the team from 2006...
But let´s see today evening, maybe I´m wrong...
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06-22-2008, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet Yeap unfortunatly for you guys, the Dutch have never been a very good tournament team. | Only time was 1988, when the won the championship
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06-22-2008, 02:38 PM
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#147 | | Senior Member
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| [quote=seesul;366711] Quote:
Originally Posted by Parmigiano Actually, when and where Italy was lucky in this qualification?
one word: Mutu
with a full respect to Buffon, who´s with no doubts the best goalie in the world actually, you know, that no one can catch the penalty...the shooter can only score or throw it up...Mutu threw it up...
Don´t get me wrong please, I´m often in Italy and got a lot of friends there...
But think this year´s Italian team is only a shadow of the team from 2006...
But let´s see today evening, maybe I´m wrong... | Mutu failed a penalty: so what???
He can only blame himself, why Italy should be 'lucky' if Mutu made a mistake?
Was Rumania lucky because Italy failed at least two goals that were more difficult to fail than to make? I don't think so, I think Italian forwards sucked.
In the same match toni scored a valid goal, nullified by a referee's mistake: wasn't that a worse luck than having a penalty neutralized? Toni can't even blame himself for that.
In 1982, final match Germany-Italy, Cabrini (who btw was a much better player than Mutu) failed a penalty on 0-0, but that did not prevent Italy to win 3-1, because IN THAT MATCH Italy was the better team. Was Germany lucky?
You guys can legitimately party against Italy, that's perfectly fair and it is in the rules, but don't distort the facts.
Anyway, in two hours it will be over, now it's time to shut down the pc and start to suffer...
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06-22-2008, 02:42 PM
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#148 | | Senior Member
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06-22-2008, 02:53 PM
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#149 | | Senior Member
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Country: | parmigiano when i said they were lucky i meant they were not playing well and never got finished off when other teams might have taken advantage.
i think if toni put half of the chances he's had in the net italy would be talked about as favourites
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06-22-2008, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by rochie parmigiano when i said they were lucky i meant they were not playing well and never got finished off when other teams might have taken advantage. | Same could be said about the Germans. However this is a feat that distinguishes good teams from the best. Good teams will play well, but eventually loose (like the Dutch). Top teams can play bad, loose a couple of times but eventually win the tournament (see Brazil, Germany, Italy).
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