UEFA Euro 2008 - Page 7 - Aircraft of World War II

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 06-17-2008, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramirezzz

no way Germans could beat Portugal in 1/4 finals if they continue playing like that

That kind of attitude is why great teams lose....

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 06-17-2008, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luis Miguel Almeida

Our final is comming Adler!!

I would like to see what is going to happen to my brother-in-law, in Hamburg, during the Portugal-Germany! LOL

As I said, I am looking foward to it. May the better team win. I just hope that whichever side is losing, does not resort to the same kinds of dirty tactics that the Austrians displayed.

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 06-17-2008, 03:41 PM

Well Italy has passed through to the Quarterfinals after beating France 2-0. Neither team looked very good though. France was down to 10 players after Eric Abidal was red carded. In bad news though Frank Ribery was taken to the hospital after suffering broken leg in the 10th minute.

In other news Netherlands have beaten Romania 2-0.

The final results of Group C (teams in bold have advanced to the Quarterfinals).

1. Netherlands -9
2. Italy - 4
3. Romania -2
4. France - 1

Marcel · 06-17-2008, 03:43 PM

With the 2nd team, the Dutch beat Romania. I'm glad they did, as the Romanians didn't even play soccer, did nothing but defend. First half was boooooorringggg. Luckily, at least the Dutch players decided to start playing in the second half, so they scored 2 goals. The Netherlands and Italie are through to the next round, France and Romania can go home.

Torch · 06-17-2008, 03:44 PM

Thats tough about Ribery...

Parmigiano · 06-17-2008, 05:05 PM

Well, Abidal was red carded BECAUSE he shot down Toni twice from behind while being the last defender when toni was alone in front of the goalie.
In that case you can only hope for a referee's big mistake: you pile up a red card (foul as last man) and at least a yellow card (foul from behind).
Being able to remain cool, the right thing to do was to let Toni score the goal: at least you don't leave your team in 10. When you are behind the attacker in the penalty area and you bring the tackle from behind you're almost sure of the penalty+red card.

Italy was not bad this game except that, like the previous game with Rumenia, they created 7-8 clear opportunities that they were not able to finalize.
They could and should have closed the match in the first half, Toni missed at least 3 goals.
After the 2-0 and in 11 vs 10 was only a matter to control the game and wait for the end.

Also the defense could be better, they miss Cannavaro very much (he broke a leg in training the week before the tournament, call it bad luck), but in the last two match they were not the disaster admired against Holland.

I was surprised by the low performance of Rumania, maybe they felt too much the pressure of the big chance

On the good side, the news reports for Ribery a 'suspected' broken leg, so hopefully it is not as bad as it looked.

Torch · 06-17-2008, 07:56 PM

Still curious on how they pick the refs for these big games.....

Parmigiano · 06-18-2008, 03:34 AM

There's been a lot of discussion about this already, many teams have complained.

I heard about bad decisions or big mistakes in France-Holland, in games with Austria and others, did not follow all details because I have no time to watch all the games.
Italy too was 'robbed' of a valid goal against Rumania, in this case the referee was honest and admitted the mistake the day after: compliments to the man, an error can happen.

Yesteday the referee was OK : the penalty was clear and another episode when Perrotta was hit in France's penalty area was a game action and not a foul, and was corrctly not sanctioned.

Probably UEFA have to accomodate refs from the widest possible range of countries, and this does not means that they pick the best available in europe.
But same issue is with the world championship, so it is something that always existed and never stopped the tournaments.

If your team is good enough to go ahead, errors pro and con tends to compensate.

Of course sometimes a ref mistake can change the match, this always happened in soccer, but I don't remember of a big tournament decided by a bad referee.

The Basket · 06-18-2008, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Parmigiano

Well, Abidal was red carded BECAUSE he shot down Toni twice from behind while being the last defender when toni was alone in front of the goalie.
In that case you can only hope in the .

Yeah...he got sent off coz he deserved it. Watching it in slo-mo he could have been sent off 3 times!

The Dutch still win for me. I've not seen anything yet to make me change my mind.

The Italians however...start slow and then get into gear...maybe worth a cheeky bet!

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 06-18-2008, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Parmigiano

Italy too was 'robbed' of a valid goal against Rumania, in this case the referee was honest and admitted the mistake the day after: compliments to the man, an error can happen.

Are you talking about the one where Toni was called for offsides but was clearly not. Toni was robbed of that goal.

I am very disapointed with the refs this tournament.

It turns out that when the German and Austrian coaches were sent off the field, it was not for argueing. They were complaining to the side Ref about the bad officiating that was going on. The field Ref, did not like that and sent them both off of the field.

It was to be decided today if the German coach will be allowed on the field for the Portugal game. They better let him down there!

DerAdlerIstGelandet · 06-18-2008, 03:52 PM

Well the German coach will be watching the game from the stands.

It really is bullshit.

Torch · 06-18-2008, 06:41 PM

Just saw Russia beat the Swedes, they looked pretty good...

Ramirezzz · 06-18-2008, 11:27 PM

I believe it was the best play of the russian national team since 10 years. Reminds me somehow of the golden years of russian/soviet football with Yashin, Netto, Streltzov, Shesternev

Marcel · 06-18-2008, 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramirezzz

I believe it was the best play of the russian national team since 10 years. Reminds me somehow of the golden years of russian/soviet football with Yashin, Netto, Streltzov, Shesternev

You mean when the Dutch beat Russia in the Final in 1988

It looks like we're going to play against you on Saturday Ramirez. Looking forward to it.

The Basket · 06-19-2008, 01:20 AM

I thought the Russians were very good and worthy of a place in the last 8.

no sure thing for the Dutch.

Now...Germany against Portugal. Can the Germans hold the Portugese long enough to score a winning goal...well...we shall see.

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06-17-2008, 03:41 PM	#93
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 34,081	Well Italy has passed through to the Quarterfinals after beating France 2-0. Neither team looked very good though. France was down to 10 players after Eric Abidal was red carded. In bad news though Frank Ribery was taken to the hospital after suffering broken leg in the 10th minute. In other news Netherlands have beaten Romania 2-0. The final results of Group C (teams in bold have advanced to the Quarterfinals). 1. Netherlands -9 2. Italy - 4 3. Romania -2 4. France - 1 __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"

06-17-2008, 03:43 PM	#94
Marcel Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Dordrecht Posts: 4,051	With the 2nd team, the Dutch beat Romania. I'm glad they did, as the Romanians didn't even play soccer, did nothing but defend. First half was boooooorringggg. Luckily, at least the Dutch players decided to start playing in the second half, so they scored 2 goals. The Netherlands and Italie are through to the next round, France and Romania can go home. __________________ "To attack 36 aircraft on your own was rather much" - Jan Linzel, D.XXI pilot.

06-17-2008, 03:44 PM	#95
Torch Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 574	Thats tough about Ribery... __________________ As I shifted into 5th gear I couldn't remember a word she said!

06-17-2008, 05:05 PM	#96
Parmigiano Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Campospinoso (PV), Italy Posts: 682	Well, Abidal was red carded BECAUSE he shot down Toni twice from behind while being the last defender when toni was alone in front of the goalie. In that case you can only hope for a referee's big mistake: you pile up a red card (foul as last man) and at least a yellow card (foul from behind). Being able to remain cool, the right thing to do was to let Toni score the goal: at least you don't leave your team in 10. When you are behind the attacker in the penalty area and you bring the tackle from behind you're almost sure of the penalty+red card. Italy was not bad this game except that, like the previous game with Rumenia, they created 7-8 clear opportunities that they were not able to finalize. They could and should have closed the match in the first half, Toni missed at least 3 goals. After the 2-0 and in 11 vs 10 was only a matter to control the game and wait for the end. Also the defense could be better, they miss Cannavaro very much (he broke a leg in training the week before the tournament, call it bad luck), but in the last two match they were not the disaster admired against Holland. I was surprised by the low performance of Rumania, maybe they felt too much the pressure of the big chance On the good side, the news reports for Ribery a 'suspected' broken leg, so hopefully it is not as bad as it looked. __________________ "God is dead" - Friedrich Nietzsche, 1882 "Nietzsche too" - God, Aug 25, 1900 He hoped and prayed that there wasn't an afterlife. Then he realized there was a contradiction involved here and merely hoped that there wasn't an afterlife. - Douglas Adams In those days spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri. - Douglas Adams

06-17-2008, 07:56 PM	#97
Torch Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 574	Still curious on how they pick the refs for these big games..... __________________ As I shifted into 5th gear I couldn't remember a word she said!

06-18-2008, 03:34 AM	#98
Parmigiano Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Campospinoso (PV), Italy Posts: 682	There's been a lot of discussion about this already, many teams have complained. I heard about bad decisions or big mistakes in France-Holland, in games with Austria and others, did not follow all details because I have no time to watch all the games. Italy too was 'robbed' of a valid goal against Rumania, in this case the referee was honest and admitted the mistake the day after: compliments to the man, an error can happen. Yesteday the referee was OK : the penalty was clear and another episode when Perrotta was hit in France's penalty area was a game action and not a foul, and was corrctly not sanctioned. Probably UEFA have to accomodate refs from the widest possible range of countries, and this does not means that they pick the best available in europe. But same issue is with the world championship, so it is something that always existed and never stopped the tournaments. If your team is good enough to go ahead, errors pro and con tends to compensate. Of course sometimes a ref mistake can change the match, this always happened in soccer, but I don't remember of a big tournament decided by a bad referee. __________________ "God is dead" - Friedrich Nietzsche, 1882 "Nietzsche too" - God, Aug 25, 1900 He hoped and prayed that there wasn't an afterlife. Then he realized there was a contradiction involved here and merely hoped that there wasn't an afterlife. - Douglas Adams In those days spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri. - Douglas Adams

06-18-2008, 03:52 PM	#101
DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 34,081	Well the German coach will be watching the game from the stands. It really is bullshit. __________________ fly boy:"isnt that the first jet bomber becasue i have flown one in a flight sim before and i know how it handles"

06-18-2008, 06:41 PM	#102
Torch Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 574	Just saw Russia beat the Swedes, they looked pretty good... __________________ As I shifted into 5th gear I couldn't remember a word she said!

06-18-2008, 11:27 PM	#103
Ramirezzz Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 360	I believe it was the best play of the russian national team since 10 years. Reminds me somehow of the golden years of russian/soviet football with Yashin, Netto, Streltzov, Shesternev

06-19-2008, 01:20 AM	#105
The Basket Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 626	I thought the Russians were very good and worthy of a place in the last 8. no sure thing for the Dutch. Now...Germany against Portugal. Can the Germans hold the Portugese long enough to score a winning goal...well...we shall see.

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