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04-11-2007, 04:15 PM
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Country:  | Have the two ever brothers ever boxed each other in a match, aside from training?
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04-11-2007, 04:31 PM
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Country: | I think that the original question of who was the better boxer was interpreted by me to mean who was the best boxer( scientifically) not who was the best fighter. Of course when you are talking about fighters in different eras you bring in the difference in size and strength. Fighters today are usually bigger and stronger than those who fought in 1927 say. Dempsey fought at about 189 and Tunney was just over 190. Dempsey was a better fighter in the mold of Tyson, Tunney was the better boxer in the mold of Clay. Tunney won.(both times) | |
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04-12-2007, 01:36 AM
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Country: | Dempsey was getting past his prime, wasn't he?
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04-12-2007, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Soundbreaker Welch?  Have the two ever brothers ever boxed each other in a match, aside from training? | I dont think so. The older one is retired anyhow. I hope he comes back. I saw the younger won fight the other day and it was crazy. I got up to get a drink in the second round and by the time I came back it was over.
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04-12-2007, 04:27 PM
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Country: | No, as a mater of fact they were both about the same age. | |
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04-13-2007, 06:12 PM
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Country:  | The way i see it...........Frazier was just as fast as Ali........but stronger, why he beat Ali and not Big George is a mystery.
now the best fight would be
Ali VS Rocky Marciano
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04-13-2007, 06:27 PM
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Country: | A computer fight was staged between Clay and Marciano and Rocky won. Interestingly if you watch films of Marciano fighting and then see the "Rocky" fims one can see that Stallone tried to copy Marciano"s style of fighting. | |
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04-13-2007, 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by renrich A computer fight was staged between Clay and Marciano and Rocky won. Interestingly if you watch films of Marciano fighting and then see the "Rocky" fims one can see that Stallone tried to copy Marciano"s style of fighting. | Welll yeah, but no computer can simulate what might actually happened, it would be orchestrated by the guy whos making the 3d fight
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04-15-2007, 07:14 PM
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Country: | Granted a computer fight doesn't prove anything. However, I saw a film of the Marciano-Walcott fight last night when Marciano took the title and I believe a fight(if both were in their prime) between Clay and Marciano would have been interesting to watch. | |
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05-18-2007, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Soundbreaker Welch? The best way to compare boxers is to take them at their peak... Mike Tyson at his peak would have destroyed anyone who entered that ring...
Even Joe Lois, rated Best Puncher out of a 100? | Tyson? He's not even in the top ten. Well, mabe 9th or 10th. Couldn't touch Ali, Marciano, Lewis, Foreman.
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05-19-2007, 04:30 AM
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Country:  | Clay for me is the greatest heavy weight boxer, I never felt he was as good after his break but in his younger days no one moved like Clay and his technical skills where unsurpassed. If I had to pick the greatest heavy weight fighter I rate Marciano, the only undefeated HW. I know others had more fights but Marciano was matched against some of the hardest fighters around, he had no real technical abilities other than if it got in the way he hit it and he always dropped his right shoulder. But the shear power he could muster was awesome with either hand. When he fought Don Cockel ((The Burmansy Blimp) no slouch with 63 wins 36 ko's )) he beat his arms so badly that Don became unable to defend himself properly, he was in a terrible mess by the end.
found a few clips of Rocky in action YouTube - Rocky Marciano
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06-29-2007, 03:08 AM
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Country: | neither of the two was better. Rocky Marciano was the man! | |
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07-01-2007, 12:12 AM
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Country: | The whole Ali Vs Frazer thing is highly overrated
the best fight i had ever seen was between Ali and George Chuvalo in Toronto
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