The Fw 190A-9 of Siegfried Baer, 5.Staffel, II./JG301, in Detail.... - Page 2 - Aircraft of World War II

Wayne Little · 12-08-2007, 08:13 AM

Erich, the A-9 of KG(J)27 White 2 W.Nr.206000, do you have the images of this bird?
It clearly has wooden prop blades with what is left of the portion of the top one that is visible, it looks like it is the wider blade, but only a short stump is actually left to be seen under the GI's arm.
Would this give us a positve toward this prop type? or are there simply too many machines between this and 260085?

lesofprimus · 12-08-2007, 09:12 AM

Work Number has been corrected by Erich to 206085, NOT 260085....

Wayne Little · 12-09-2007, 03:52 AM

Ah, sorry Les that was my typo! got 206000 right then reversed the '06'...

seesul · 12-11-2007, 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Erich

well I'm back with JG 301 again guys........ this is a possible rendition of my cousins a/c. the white gruppe bar should be red with a very thin yellow outline when the red goes into the red of the bi-colour defense band

Hi Erich,

may I print it out and send it to Willi Reschke with your permission? I mean the picture of Siegfried´s FW...

Erich · 12-11-2007, 07:56 AM

yes my friend go ahead. I think though the red bar for second group needs to be noted, the canopy may have been flat not the later type that was rounded but I am still not 100 % sure

E ~

Wayne Little · 12-12-2007, 05:37 AM

Well, Erich I wonder just how close White 2 is to Red 22?

lesofprimus · 12-12-2007, 06:03 AM

Looks pretty damn close to me Wayne... Frickin beautiful model man, and of a quality of work that I can only attempt to mimick...

U are my inspiration....

Wurger · 12-12-2007, 07:54 AM

Wayne your Red22 is a great work.I like it vey mych !!!!!

And Les your answer... You are the best at this.

Erich · 12-12-2007, 10:58 AM

compare red 22 with white 21 of my cousins 5th staffel. note the werke nummer which places it as an A-8/R2 with two 3cm outobards

Wurger · 12-12-2007, 12:00 PM

Great pic Erich.So your cousin's White21 Werk nummer was 682 985, right?
Besides a small note to your friend's interpretation of White21.In the pic we can see that the crosses on the fuselage were painted probably with RLM74.
In the pic of the model we can see these painted with the black colour only like it can be seen in the colour profile you've also uploaded.

Erich · 12-12-2007, 12:24 PM

Wurger I must be confusing everyone with how I am wording my sentances.....

my cousin flew white 2 an Fw 190A-9 not the Sturm like A-8 in the photo.

am curious though on the crappy shot of the sheep do and the SturmFW can anyone see some of the mg 131's installed or does it look that they were never fitted ? probably too hard to tell I imagine.

wanted everyone interested to see that the 2's of the white 21 and the red 22 look the same and with that I am going to assume my cousins "white 2" looked just like these others along with the red horizontal bar edged in thin yellow over the red portion of the JG 301 Reichsverteidigung band

Wurger · 12-12-2007, 12:39 PM

Ah sorry.It was my fault.I don't know why I understood your cousin's Fw was White21.So now I understand.
Sa far as A-9 and A-8 are concerned, the difference between them was the engine,wasn't it.

Erich · 12-12-2007, 12:47 PM

yes the A-9 had more horsepower.

though here is the stinker........... the A-8 could also have the blown canopy, wooden propellar, late war drop tank, two or four 2cm cannons, during the fall of 44 till wars end.

unless a werk nummer is present or we can see a straight shot of the engine grills to count it is almost impossible to tell the difference. another stinker is that there were indeed A-9/R2's flying with IV./JG 3, maybe in II./JG 300

Wurger · 12-12-2007, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Erich

another stinker is that there were indeed A-9/R2's flying with IV./JG 3, maybe in II./JG 300

THX Erich for all the info,especially for this above.Sounds interesting.

Wayne Little · 12-30-2007, 07:50 PM

Erich, a link on TOCH for another I/JG 301 machine W.Nr 206179 from White 2's block. 3 pics...
Did you also check out the Ta152 pic of White 7?

12-08-2007, 09:12 AM	#17
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 18,463	Work Number has been corrected by Erich to 206085, NOT 260085.... __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk My 1/32nd Rendition of His Corsair: http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/2-p...3-a-20416.html

12-11-2007, 07:56 AM	#20
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 11,110	yes my friend go ahead. I think though the red bar for second group needs to be noted, the canopy may have been flat not the later type that was rounded but I am still not 100 % sure E ~ __________________ Rip it up !

12-12-2007, 06:03 AM	#22
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 18,463	Looks pretty damn close to me Wayne... Frickin beautiful model man, and of a quality of work that I can only attempt to mimick... U are my inspiration.... __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk My 1/32nd Rendition of His Corsair: http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/2-p...3-a-20416.html

12-12-2007, 07:54 AM	#23
Wurger Siggy Master Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 15,998	Wayne your Red22 is a great work.I like it vey mych !!!!! And Les your answer... You are the best at this. __________________

12-12-2007, 10:58 AM	#24
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 11,110	compare red 22 with white 21 of my cousins 5th staffel. note the werke nummer which places it as an A-8/R2 with two 3cm outobards __________________ Rip it up !

12-08-2007, 08:13 AM	#16
Wayne Little Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Adelaide Sth. Aust. Posts: 14,850	Erich, the A-9 of KG(J)27 White 2 W.Nr.206000, do you have the images of this bird? It clearly has wooden prop blades with what is left of the portion of the top one that is visible, it looks like it is the wider blade, but only a short stump is actually left to be seen under the GI's arm. Would this give us a positve toward this prop type? or are there simply too many machines between this and 260085?

12-09-2007, 03:52 AM	#18
Wayne Little Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Adelaide Sth. Aust. Posts: 14,850	Ah, sorry Les that was my typo! got 206000 right then reversed the '06'...

12-12-2007, 12:00 PM	#25
Wurger Siggy Master Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 15,998	Great pic Erich.So your cousin's White21 Werk nummer was 682 985, right? Besides a small note to your friend's interpretation of White21.In the pic we can see that the crosses on the fuselage were painted probably with RLM74. In the pic of the model we can see these painted with the black colour only like it can be seen in the colour profile you've also uploaded. __________________ Last edited by Wurger; 12-12-2007 at 12:17 PM.

12-12-2007, 12:24 PM	#26
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 11,110	Wurger I must be confusing everyone with how I am wording my sentances..... my cousin flew white 2 an Fw 190A-9 not the Sturm like A-8 in the photo. am curious though on the crappy shot of the sheep do and the SturmFW can anyone see some of the mg 131's installed or does it look that they were never fitted ? probably too hard to tell I imagine. wanted everyone interested to see that the 2's of the white 21 and the red 22 look the same and with that I am going to assume my cousins "white 2" looked just like these others along with the red horizontal bar edged in thin yellow over the red portion of the JG 301 Reichsverteidigung band __________________ Rip it up !

12-12-2007, 12:39 PM	#27
Wurger Siggy Master Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 15,998	Ah sorry.It was my fault.I don't know why I understood your cousin's Fw was White21.So now I understand. Sa far as A-9 and A-8 are concerned, the difference between them was the engine,wasn't it. __________________

12-12-2007, 12:47 PM	#28
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 11,110	yes the A-9 had more horsepower. though here is the stinker........... the A-8 could also have the blown canopy, wooden propellar, late war drop tank, two or four 2cm cannons, during the fall of 44 till wars end. unless a werk nummer is present or we can see a straight shot of the engine grills to count it is almost impossible to tell the difference. another stinker is that there were indeed A-9/R2's flying with IV./JG 3, maybe in II./JG 300 __________________ Rip it up !

12-30-2007, 07:50 PM	#30
Wayne Little Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Adelaide Sth. Aust. Posts: 14,850	Erich, a link on TOCH for another I/JG 301 machine W.Nr 206179 from White 2's block. 3 pics... Did you also check out the Ta152 pic of White 7?

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