Italian Stuka - From the Hasegawa kit in 1:32.

[Wayne Little]

We should really try to ask Wayne to send here in Europe some of the 42C he has in Australia: it will be better for him and very good for us ....

I could send you some but it might melt the paint off your model...

[Wurger]

[al49]

I tried to take a couple of pictures outside, while a bit of sun was still reaching my balcony.
Besides the long shadows, it seems that I have captured the real color that should look correct now.
See here a comparison between yesterday and today.


I also corrected a couple of errors on my vacu-formed canopy: straightened one vertical frame and painted central horizontal frame on the outside too.


Next step will be to prepare masks and paint the white cross on the rudder and the white band on rear fuselage.

Also I will have to find a way to make the individual codes for this bird

No problem for the red roman numbers, I can make a decal or even cut a mask, but I'm in troubles for the 10 mm tall white "216". My printer, as most of them, doesn't print white and producing a mask seems to be quite challenging, any other idea?
Cheers
Alberto

[Crimea_River]

Alberto, I'll check my spares to see if I have something close to the 216 numbers. I assume you need two. Failing that, what you could do is print the above scan to white decal paper. Make the 216 clear and keep some of the backgound colour, making it match as closely as possible the background colour of your model.

[Wurger]

Humm... undoubtedly the colour looks more like RLM02 than the RLM71. I think it is incorrect one. The difference between tonalities of RLM70 and RLM71 is almost imperceptible in B&W images.

[al49]

Humm... undoubtedly the colour looks more like RLM02 than the RLM71. I think it is incorrect one. The difference between tonalities of RLM70 and RLM71 is almost imperceptible in B&W images.

I understand what you mean and I've to think about it.
Cheers
Alberto

[Wurger]

It's up to you only what you will do. Unless these Italian Stuka bombers were re-painted. Then it might be correct.


This one is quite close. But the RLM71 could be a little bit greenish.

[vikingBerserker]

Nice info gents

[Tony Hill]

Looking great

[al49]

It's up to you only what you will do. Unless these Italian Stuka bombers were re-painted. Then it might be correct.


This one is quite close. But the RLM71 could be a little bit greenish.

Hi,
many thanks for your comment.
I appreciate it very much because my goal in making a model, is always to try to represent be as much as possible the real aircraft.

About Italian repainting, as far as I know, i was only concerning the area were the original German codes and markings needed to be covered

Verde Oliva Scuro was used on fuselage and upper wings and Grigio Azzurro Chiaro on lower wing surfaces.

But I think that the light at which the pictures were taken, played a big role, look at this picture:

the contrast is very evident, then look at this one

almost no differences between the two tones

Therefore also the artworks, like the above one, but not only came out with evident discrepancies, see below


My personal conclusion is that, very likely, the two artworks on the Kagero Monograph are the most correct and probably I will try to darken my RLM71 a bit by over-spraying it with a very diluted black.
Any suggestion on the latter from expert modellers, besides stripping off all paint and start again?

Cheers
Alberto

[Wurger]

But I think that the light at which the pictures were taken, played a big role, look at this picture:



the contrast is very evident,

The main problem with the picture is that the Stuka is a Ju 87A-1 , code 52+D24 of 4./St.G 165. The shot was taken at Schweinfurt airfield in the Spring of 1939. The plane wears three tone camo scheme on tops that consisted of RLM61/62/63 and RLM65 on undersides. Also please note the new variant of the swastica on the tail. It was introduced on January the 1st 1939.




The second picture with the Ju 87B-1, code A5+AH of 1./St.G 1 is a good example of the fact that the contrast between RLM70 and RLM71 wasn't to huge. Therefore the two profiles of Kagero are very correct in my opinion as well.

[al49]

Hello,
what you just said confirm to myself that my knowledge of the subject is quite poor, I didn't realized that the A1 had a three tone camou.
I will try to do something to replicate the Kagero profiles.
Alberto

[Wurger]

Good lack.

[al49]

Hi,
as I mentioned above, I will try to re-paint the RLM 71 areas, because I'm convinced that will be historically more correct, but in the mean time I found an other picture that contribute a bit to increase confusion.

The contrast between color is more evident then in other pictures.
Additionally, the extended wingtips speak for a D5, but there are no records of D5 delivered to Regia Aeronautica, so it could be a D3 with wings replaced with those taken from a German D5.
Cheers
Alberto

[Wurger]

From another side the plane didn't look like there were dark and light spots....





And here at all ...



but here yes...



and here almost overall one colour...







Also on the German Ju-87B the RLM71 can be found as a lighter colour. ... but in my opinion it is because of sunlight and fading of colours ( The Italian Sun works pretty good too )