ME 209 V5 - Aircraft of World War II

fam43 · 08-14-2009, 04:01 AM

Hi,
Holidays are over now so le us start a new topioc:

There is another plane which I wanted to built for years namely the ME 209 V5 not mistaken for the Bf 209 racing plane.

There is only one pic to date of this mysterious ship to my knowledge.
There is a 1:72 drawing in a chech mag. "Monografie Lotnicze Messerschmitt Me 109 CZ.3 " and an old one of the german artist Gerd W: Heumann who rets in peace for some decades in the german mag. "Flugwelt" from the late fiftees.

There is a fair amount of written documents however which state that is was an attempt of the notorious and selfapointed "genius" Prof. Messerschmitt to regain some ground against the longnosed FW 190 of Kurt Tank. Performance of the ME 209 was lackluster at best having a speedhandicap of up to 25 mph against the Doras which started coming of the assembling lines when only prototypes of the Me 209 existed.
A little footnote:
Around 1938 to 39 Gerhard Schmued left Messerschmitt for political and racist problems. He went to the USA and became Chief design engineer of the P51 Mustang at NAA. He once said: "Messerschmitt will never be able to construct a high performance piston engined fighter". To the dismay of german fighter pilots Schmued was awfully right.

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(Bundesarchiv Freiburg)

fam43 · 08-14-2009, 04:07 AM

The old drawing of G. W. Heumann:

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Well not to much background for a scrachting a model nevertheless I started the project.

fam43 · 08-14-2009, 04:15 AM

As ever when I start a nonstandard 109 model I take my old friends, the Matchbox Emil and the old Revell G. I've some stock of them bought in the early eighties.

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fam43 · 08-14-2009, 04:16 AM

In 1989 I used the two to produce a G10.

fam43 · 08-14-2009, 04:18 AM

The start.

My plan:

A4K · 08-14-2009, 04:44 AM

Great start mate! (Love your G-10 too!)

(Thanks for a nice memory too...I used to have that Matchbox 109E...( loudly blows his nose in a handkerchief...)

Heinz · 08-14-2009, 04:52 AM

Great stuff mate!

Wurger · 08-14-2009, 08:28 AM

Nice start ...keep working.

Wayne Little · 08-14-2009, 09:07 AM

Sweet!

Capt. Vick · 08-14-2009, 09:58 AM

Any idea how long it might take you?

Thorlifter · 08-14-2009, 11:54 AM

Nice looking start!

Colin1 · 08-14-2009, 12:07 PM

Looks interesting indeed
Not seen that Gustav box art in a long while

Colin1 · 08-14-2009, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fam43

There is only one pic to date of this mysterious ship to my knowledge

I have this if it's any help

Maximowitz · 08-14-2009, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fam43

Around 1938 to 39 Gerhard Schmued left Messerschmitt for political and racist problems. He went to the USA and became Chief design engineer of the P51 Mustang at NAA. He once said: "Messerschmitt will never be able to construct a high performance piston engined fighter". To the dismay of german fighter pilots Schmued was awfully right.

Not really. The Bf 109 was, in its day, a very high performance fighter, the later versions just as good as the P51 Mustang. If you use the search engine you'll find that this has been discussed at length many times on the forum. It was only the level of attrition, poor training of Luftwaffe pilots and overwhelming numerical superiority that tipped the balance.

As far as I'm aware (and I admit I'm no expert on the P51) the original design by Schmued was hideously overweight and it was only with help from studying British design and manufacturing that an improved airframe could result. And there's the small matter of the Rolls Royce Merlin engine...

Wurger · 08-14-2009, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fam43

There is a 1:72 drawing in a chech mag. "Monografie Lotnicze Messerschmitt Me 109 CZ.3 "

Moreover , if "Monografie Lotinicze" it means that it is AJ-Press publication and it is not a magazine.What is more, not a Czech (chech ??????) but Polish issue.

08-14-2009, 04:01 AM	#1
fam43 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 81	ME 209 V5 Hi, Holidays are over now so le us start a new topioc: There is another plane which I wanted to built for years namely the ME 209 V5 not mistaken for the Bf 209 racing plane. There is only one pic to date of this mysterious ship to my knowledge. There is a 1:72 drawing in a chech mag. "Monografie Lotnicze Messerschmitt Me 109 CZ.3 " and an old one of the german artist Gerd W: Heumann who rets in peace for some decades in the german mag. "Flugwelt" from the late fiftees. There is a fair amount of written documents however which state that is was an attempt of the notorious and selfapointed "genius" Prof. Messerschmitt to regain some ground against the longnosed FW 190 of Kurt Tank. Performance of the ME 209 was lackluster at best having a speedhandicap of up to 25 mph against the Doras which started coming of the assembling lines when only prototypes of the Me 209 existed. A little footnote: Around 1938 to 39 Gerhard Schmued left Messerschmitt for political and racist problems. He went to the USA and became Chief design engineer of the P51 Mustang at NAA. He once said: "Messerschmitt will never be able to construct a high performance piston engined fighter". To the dismay of german fighter pilots Schmued was awfully right. post-6446-1237043530.jpg (Bundesarchiv Freiburg) __________________ Good Bye Happy modelling Michael Last edited by fam43; 08-14-2009 at 04:05 AM.

08-14-2009, 04:07 AM	#2
fam43 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 81	The old drawing of G. W. Heumann: post-6446-1237043530.jpg Well not to much background for a scrachting a model nevertheless I started the project. Last edited by fam43; 08-14-2009 at 04:11 AM.

08-14-2009, 04:15 AM	#3
fam43 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 81	As ever when I start a nonstandard 109 model I take my old friends, the Matchbox Emil and the old Revell G. I've some stock of them bought in the early eighties. 3232636335663031.jpg post-6446-1237043530.jpg __________________ Good Bye Happy modelling Michael

08-14-2009, 04:16 AM	#4
fam43 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 81	In 1989 I used the two to produce a G10. __________________ Good Bye Happy modelling Michael

08-14-2009, 04:18 AM	#5
fam43 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 81	The start. My plan: __________________ Good Bye Happy modelling Michael

08-14-2009, 04:44 AM	#6
A4K Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 3,232	Great start mate! (Love your G-10 too!) (Thanks for a nice memory too...I used to have that Matchbox 109E...( loudly blows his nose in a handkerchief...)

08-14-2009, 04:52 AM	#7
Heinz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Posts: 6,743	Great stuff mate! __________________

08-14-2009, 08:28 AM	#8
Wurger Siggy Master Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 13,974	Nice start ...keep working. __________________

08-14-2009, 09:07 AM	#9
Wayne Little Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Adelaide Sth. Aust. Posts: 12,524	Sweet! __________________

08-14-2009, 09:58 AM	#10
Capt. Vick Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 159	Best of luck! Any idea how long it might take you? __________________ Jack Burton: I don't get this at all. I thought Lo Pan- Lo Pan: Shut up, Mr. Burton! You are not brought upon this world to get it!

08-14-2009, 11:54 AM	#11
Thorlifter Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Dallas, Tx Posts: 4,346	Nice looking start! __________________

08-14-2009, 12:07 PM	#12
Colin1 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1,766	Looks interesting indeed Not seen that Gustav box art in a long while

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