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B-17engineer · 10-08-2009, 03:51 PM

Me too!

Airframes · 10-08-2009, 04:13 PM

Nice pair....if you'll pardon the expression!!

Erich · 10-08-2009, 05:20 PM

Jan since I got in a groove with some of the 356th fg pilots about 5 years ago, did you know that Whitmore shot down a Me 262 with his crate on February 21, 1945. The jet decided to do a jump on a P-38 recon with Whitmore and his wingman following slightly above and behind but the jet got the jump and shot down the Lightning but hung around too long and Whitmore shot his ass up.

the 262 was from 2./KG (J) 51

Lucky13 · 10-08-2009, 05:47 PM

No kidding Erich!?

Got this bird from the 356th plus decals for another 5....

Care to tell who the gentleman was and the crate?

Lucky13 · 10-08-2009, 06:45 PM

Here you go Wayne, my Mustang decals,

55 FG,
CL*I
CY*T "Cape Cod Express"
CL*M "KATYDID"
CY*D "Miss Velma"
CL*Z "Mick #5"
CY*G "Miss Milly G"

78 FG,
WZ*S "Sherman was Right!"
WZ*G "Just Hang'en Around"

356 FG,
PI*B "Margie Darling"
OC*E "STARDUSTER"
PI*J "Lullaby for a Dream"
PI*D "Lady Doris"
QI*G "The Lord is my Sheperd"
PI*E "The Virginia Esquire"

354 FG,
FT*T "Swede's Steed"
FT*P "Shellelagh"
GQ*I "LIVE BAIT"
GQ*U "Grim Reaper"

506 FG,
540 "KWITCHERBITCHIN"
531 "NIP NOCKER"

353 FG,
SX*I "Dallas Doll"
YJ*L "Willit Run?"
SX*B "Double Trouble"

357 FG, B6*Y "GLAMOROUS GLEN III"
357 FG B^*F "An winged ace of clubs" *
354 FG, AJ*X "The Prodigal Son"
359 FG, CS*L "Daddy's Girl"
356 FG, OC*A "BOBBY SOCKS"
364 FG, "Constance" *
354FG, AJ*A "Ding Hao!"
4 FG, QP*O " Red Dog XII"
4 FG, VF*T "Shangri-La"
357 FG, B6*S "Old Crow" (D)
339 FG, 6N*C "Pauline"

357 FG,
C5*T "Hurry Home Honey"
C5*T "HURRY HOME HONEY"
G4*B "LITTLE SWEETIE"
B6*L "Junior Miss II"
C5*Q "BOBBY JEANNE/AH FUNG-GOO"
G4*X "TOOLIN' FOOL'S REVENGE"
G4*V "Master Mike"
G4*K "Muddy"
G4*H "Missouri Armada"
B6*S "Old Crow" (B & D)
B6*B "LITTLE JOE"
C5*N Frenesi"
C5*D "PRINCESS PAT"
G4*K "RUBBER CHECK"
C5*J "LITTLE DUCKFOOT"

...and "FICKLE FANNY", "Miss Miami", "Lou IV" and "Petie 2nd"

* Got two of these...

Erich · 10-08-2009, 07:03 PM

Jan we do not know for certain again in 1945 LW records were not thebest due to movements of airfields, and the group historian/admin of the Gruppe probably could not care less. think there is a strong possibility that part of the KG 51 diary is buried in Russian held territory, which in the last 4 months of the war was quite common, literally buried away from the grass or tarmacs in the middle of ? never to be seen again. we only have the possibility of breezing through logbuchs of surviving pilots indeed if they were even allowed to keep these at surrender - usually not.

you need help on the 356th fg crates let me know. will tell you I know Barnhart that flew Margi D. which was his gorgeous wife. His wife still is a cutie. I have a half-dozen signed pics from him and his missions/kill listis. He also shot down a jet this time a Ar 234 confirmed. a display item if I can ever get my digital up and running have a gorgeous 18/20inch long signed art profile of his crate signed by both Robert and his lovely bride. A very cherished treasure.

do you have pics/profiles of the 356th fg birds to use or not ? I have many plus I have interviewed more of these pilots than from any other fg in the 8th AF. little known grp they may have experienced more of the 262 jet plague than any other 8th AF unit by looking through the groups diary and personal flight books.....some real interesting stories from these guys on how they tried to play cat/mouse and try as they might to catch the jets. They actually started taking heat from the 262's back in October of 44 when they were flying T-Bolts

sorry I got stoked about this and ran my mouth, OT.

last thought on my posting are you doing the early Miss Velma or the alter all aluminum of the 55th fg. Birticeil is a great guy by the way.

Lucky13 · 10-08-2009, 07:10 PM

No need whatsoever to apologise my good man, not at all! You're more than welcome to share anything that you want and at any time...
"Margie Darling" is one of the 356th Mustangs that I want to do besides "The Lord is my Sheperd", so, feel free to jump in at any point!

Thanks Erich!

PS. The only profiles that I have, are those coming with the decals....

Erich · 10-08-2009, 07:22 PM

you will have to scan them in Jan - the decal sheets for me to look at and make comment.

Lucky13 · 10-08-2009, 07:29 PM

Don't have a scanner, but I'm taking pics of them now Erich....hang on.

Erich · 10-08-2009, 07:30 PM

Jan here are two profiles by my friend Nick in England. " Lady Dorris " pilot Ray Burwell died some time ago so was not able to interview him but I have a colour pic of him and his bird somewhere in the data files on the 356th fg. in fact that file is some 4 inches thick.

Erich · 10-08-2009, 07:34 PM

here's two more of the very colourful Stangs you have listed as decals

Lucky13 · 10-08-2009, 07:53 PM

Here we go....

Edit: That's great stuff Erich, much obliged! Was going to ask which drop tanks to use on Whitmore's "The Lord is my Shepherd".... Now I don't have to!

Erich · 10-08-2009, 08:12 PM

"Starduster" which I have a pic of the pilot standing by his mount should have an all yellow spinner not blue. William Kennedy

he did not stay in the grp for a very long time, in fact I found really nothing on the Lt. Colonel except he was in the 359th f.s.

just so you know Jan either type of drop tank could and was worn by the Stangs of the unit so nothing will be wrong with your choice.....ace Don Strait of the 361st f.s. told me that in a very lengthy phone conversation. A man continually on tour it seems I was very fortunate to have been able to catch him home and it was almost like he invited me into his home for a cup of coffee when we talked - another super guy. a cool thing about him as he sent me a copy of one of his after action mission reports with notations all over it for my data files.

Airframes · 10-08-2009, 11:58 PM

Marvellous stuff Erich! Jan, I've got pics of quite a few of the crates you've listed, some of them in colour, and also some profiles. If there's any in particular, let me know, and I'll see what I've got.

Erich · 10-09-2009, 12:14 AM

I take that back Kennedy's crate OC * E did have an all blue spinner and depending on time the d-day stripes were present but later taken off.....photos show this

10-08-2009, 03:51 PM	#31
B-17engineer Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 5,697	Me too! __________________ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe36UMRkRbk

10-08-2009, 04:13 PM	#32
Airframes Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 9,072	Nice pair....if you'll pardon the expression!! __________________

10-08-2009, 05:20 PM	#33
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,775	Jan since I got in a groove with some of the 356th fg pilots about 5 years ago, did you know that Whitmore shot down a Me 262 with his crate on February 21, 1945. The jet decided to do a jump on a P-38 recon with Whitmore and his wingman following slightly above and behind but the jet got the jump and shot down the Lightning but hung around too long and Whitmore shot his ass up. the 262 was from 2./KG (J) 51 __________________ Rip it up !

10-08-2009, 05:47 PM	#34
Lucky13 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A Swede living in Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 15,149	No kidding Erich!? Got this bird from the 356th plus decals for another 5.... Care to tell who the gentleman was and the crate? __________________ JAN "Felicis Tredecim" "I´m going back to the front to relax" "THE BLACK CATS FLIES TONIGHT" "Find your enemy and shoot him down - everything else is unimportant!" "When you're out of F-8's... You're out of fighters!"

10-08-2009, 06:45 PM	#35
Lucky13 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A Swede living in Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 15,149	Here you go Wayne, my Mustang decals, 55 FG, CLI CYT "Cape Cod Express" CLM "KATYDID" CYD "Miss Velma" CLZ "Mick #5" CYG "Miss Milly G" 78 FG, WZS "Sherman was Right!" WZG "Just Hang'en Around" 356 FG, PIB "Margie Darling" OCE "STARDUSTER" PIJ "Lullaby for a Dream" PID "Lady Doris" QIG "The Lord is my Sheperd" PIE "The Virginia Esquire" 354 FG, FTT "Swede's Steed" FTP "Shellelagh" GQI "LIVE BAIT" GQU "Grim Reaper" 506 FG, 540 "KWITCHERBITCHIN" 531 "NIP NOCKER" 353 FG, SXI "Dallas Doll" YJL "Willit Run?" SXB "Double Trouble" 357 FG, B6Y "GLAMOROUS GLEN III" 357 FG B^F "An winged ace of clubs" 354 FG, AJX "The Prodigal Son" 359 FG, CSL "Daddy's Girl" 356 FG, OCA "BOBBY SOCKS" 364 FG, "Constance" 354FG, AJA "Ding Hao!" 4 FG, QPO " Red Dog XII" 4 FG, VFT "Shangri-La" 357 FG, B6S "Old Crow" (D) 339 FG, 6NC "Pauline" 357 FG, C5T "Hurry Home Honey" C5T "HURRY HOME HONEY" G4B "LITTLE SWEETIE" B6L "Junior Miss II" C5Q "BOBBY JEANNE/AH FUNG-GOO" G4X "TOOLIN' FOOL'S REVENGE" G4V "Master Mike" G4K "Muddy" G4H "Missouri Armada" B6S "Old Crow" (B & D) B6B "LITTLE JOE" C5N Frenesi" C5D "PRINCESS PAT" G4K "RUBBER CHECK" C5J "LITTLE DUCKFOOT" ...and "FICKLE FANNY", "Miss Miami", "Lou IV" and "Petie 2nd" * Got two of these... __________________ JAN "Felicis Tredecim" "I´m going back to the front to relax" "THE BLACK CATS FLIES TONIGHT" "Find your enemy and shoot him down - everything else is unimportant!" "When you're out of F-8's... You're out of fighters!"

10-08-2009, 07:03 PM	#36
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,775	Jan we do not know for certain again in 1945 LW records were not thebest due to movements of airfields, and the group historian/admin of the Gruppe probably could not care less. think there is a strong possibility that part of the KG 51 diary is buried in Russian held territory, which in the last 4 months of the war was quite common, literally buried away from the grass or tarmacs in the middle of ? never to be seen again. we only have the possibility of breezing through logbuchs of surviving pilots indeed if they were even allowed to keep these at surrender - usually not. you need help on the 356th fg crates let me know. will tell you I know Barnhart that flew Margi D. which was his gorgeous wife. His wife still is a cutie. I have a half-dozen signed pics from him and his missions/kill listis. He also shot down a jet this time a Ar 234 confirmed. a display item if I can ever get my digital up and running have a gorgeous 18/20inch long signed art profile of his crate signed by both Robert and his lovely bride. A very cherished treasure. do you have pics/profiles of the 356th fg birds to use or not ? I have many plus I have interviewed more of these pilots than from any other fg in the 8th AF. little known grp they may have experienced more of the 262 jet plague than any other 8th AF unit by looking through the groups diary and personal flight books.....some real interesting stories from these guys on how they tried to play cat/mouse and try as they might to catch the jets. They actually started taking heat from the 262's back in October of 44 when they were flying T-Bolts sorry I got stoked about this and ran my mouth, OT. last thought on my posting are you doing the early Miss Velma or the alter all aluminum of the 55th fg. Birticeil is a great guy by the way. __________________ Rip it up !

10-08-2009, 07:10 PM	#37
Lucky13 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A Swede living in Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 15,149	No need whatsoever to apologise my good man, not at all! You're more than welcome to share anything that you want and at any time... "Margie Darling" is one of the 356th Mustangs that I want to do besides "The Lord is my Sheperd", so, feel free to jump in at any point! Thanks Erich! PS. The only profiles that I have, are those coming with the decals.... __________________ JAN "Felicis Tredecim" "I´m going back to the front to relax" "THE BLACK CATS FLIES TONIGHT" "Find your enemy and shoot him down - everything else is unimportant!" "When you're out of F-8's... You're out of fighters!"

10-08-2009, 07:22 PM	#38
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,775	you will have to scan them in Jan - the decal sheets for me to look at and make comment. __________________ Rip it up !

10-08-2009, 07:29 PM	#39
Lucky13 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A Swede living in Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 15,149	Don't have a scanner, but I'm taking pics of them now Erich....hang on. __________________ JAN "Felicis Tredecim" "I´m going back to the front to relax" "THE BLACK CATS FLIES TONIGHT" "Find your enemy and shoot him down - everything else is unimportant!" "When you're out of F-8's... You're out of fighters!"

10-08-2009, 07:53 PM	#42
Lucky13 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: A Swede living in Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 15,149	Here we go.... Edit: That's great stuff Erich, much obliged! Was going to ask which drop tanks to use on Whitmore's "The Lord is my Shepherd".... Now I don't have to! __________________ JAN "Felicis Tredecim" "I´m going back to the front to relax" "THE BLACK CATS FLIES TONIGHT" "Find your enemy and shoot him down - everything else is unimportant!" "When you're out of F-8's... You're out of fighters!" Last edited by Lucky13; 10-08-2009 at 08:00 PM.

10-08-2009, 08:12 PM	#43
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,775	"Starduster" which I have a pic of the pilot standing by his mount should have an all yellow spinner not blue. William Kennedy he did not stay in the grp for a very long time, in fact I found really nothing on the Lt. Colonel except he was in the 359th f.s. just so you know Jan either type of drop tank could and was worn by the Stangs of the unit so nothing will be wrong with your choice.....ace Don Strait of the 361st f.s. told me that in a very lengthy phone conversation. A man continually on tour it seems I was very fortunate to have been able to catch him home and it was almost like he invited me into his home for a cup of coffee when we talked - another super guy. a cool thing about him as he sent me a copy of one of his after action mission reports with notations all over it for my data files. __________________ Rip it up !

10-08-2009, 11:58 PM	#44
Airframes Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 9,072	Marvellous stuff Erich! Jan, I've got pics of quite a few of the crates you've listed, some of them in colour, and also some profiles. If there's any in particular, let me know, and I'll see what I've got. __________________

10-09-2009, 12:14 AM	#45
Erich the old Sage Join Date: May 2004 Location: Platonic Sphere Posts: 10,775	I take that back Kennedy's crate OC * E did have an all blue spinner and depending on time the d-day stripes were present but later taken off.....photos show this __________________ Rip it up ! Last edited by Erich; 10-09-2009 at 12:19 AM.

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