Ace on Ace Kills

[Njaco]

Sorry for so many quick posts but also found these from the same website...

"On 7 September 1942, Stahlschmidt was part of a Schwarm that had taken off on a freie Jagd. Southeast of El Alamein they came under attack by RAF Spitfires. Hans-Arnold Stahlschmidt failed to return in his Bf 109 F-4 (W.Nr. 8704) “Red 4”. It is possible he was the victim of the American ace John Curry (7.333 confirmed, 2 probable and 3 damaged victories) flying with 601 Sqn, RAF."

"...On 13 May 1941, von Kageneck shot down Flight Lieutenant Innes Westmacott (3.75 destroyed, 1 probable and 1.333 damaged victories) of 185 Sqn, RAF, who baled out wounded. He shot down Pilot Officer Claud “Hamish” Hamilton (6 victories) of 185 Sqn, RAF on 14 May. Hamilton died of his wounds a short time later....On 24 December 1941, von Kageneck was critically wounded in combat with RAF fighters south of Agedabia. Although he managed to return to base, he died of his wounds in a Naples hospital on 12 January 1942. Some sources indicate that his victor was the Australian ace Clive Caldwell (28.5 confirmed, 6 probable and 15 damaged victories) of 250 Squadron RAF."

[R Leonard]

Sakai v Southerland

[lesofprimus]

Good stuff guys...

[CharlesBronson]

Apparently Clive Caldwell shot down German aces Hans-Arnold stahlschmidt and Oberleutnant Erbo Graf von Kageneck.

Erbo von kageneck was not shot down, it was injured in combat but manage to return and died from his wounds in a Naples Hopital.

[comiso90]

Not Quite Ace on Ace but I met and spoke with James Finnegan who shot down Adolf Galland. James was in a P-47 and Adolf in a Me-262. Mr. Finnegan finished the war with 3 kills but I figure a 262 (flown by Galland!) is worth extra credit!


I was leading the top flight cover of P-47’s that was escorting the B-26’s to their target. As I gazed down, I saw 2 objects come zipping through the formation, and 2 bombers blew up immediately. I watched the 2 objects go through the bomber formation, and thought “that can’t be a prop job....it’s got to be one of the 262 jets.”

I was at about 13,000 feet and estimated them to be at about 9-10,000. They were climbing, and I pulled a split-S towards the one that turned left, and almost ended up right on top of him - - about 75 yards away!!

I gave a 3 second burst and saw strikes on the right hand engine and wing root. I was going so fast, I went right through everything, and guessed my speed at about 450+ mph. I recorded it as a probable.

I was flying a D model Thunderbolt with a bubble canopy, a natural metal finish and a black nose. The 262 had a green and brown mottled camouflage with some specs of yellow.

That turned out to be my last flight in a P-47. My kills for the war were an FW-190 and an Me-109, in addition to the Me-262.



Interview with James Finnegan

[Wildcat]

Originally Posted by CharlesBronson

Erbo von kageneck was not shot down, it was injured in combat but manage to return and died from his wounds in a Naples Hopital.

Your quite right Charles, my mistake. In the new Clive caldwell biography it claims that Caldwell was the pilot who inflicted the wounds.

[Njaco]

April 29, 1942 - Hptm. Joachim Muncheburg of II./JG 26 shot down a Spitfire near Le Tourquet. His victim was probably the great Polish ace, Major Marian Pisarek, commander of I Polish Fighter Wing.

[net_sailor]

Good find Njaco... but now go to the first page of this thread and see post #5

[Njaco]

Cheeeezee!!! Se what happens when you're away for awhile. Ummm....I'm just doing a refresher test. You passed!

[Wildcat]

Been doing some more reading on Caldwell and it seems he is also credited with shooting down Luftwaffe ace Hauptmann Wolfgang Lippert (29 victories?). Caldwell shot him down on 23rd Nov. 1941 whilst flying a Tomohawk. Lippert bailed out but broke both his legs when he hit the ground. He was found by British troops and taken to a hospital in Cairo. Whilst in hospital, Gangrene set in and both legs were amputated, however he died of an embolism moments later.

[Watanbe]

Excellent stuff Wildcat. Has he written a biography or autobiography I reckon it would be a fascinating addition to my collection hehe

[Heinz]

just off topic here

Wantanbe if you haven't already grab Flak by Michael Vietch top read!

[Wildcat]

Originally Posted by Watanbe

Excellent stuff Wildcat. Has he written a biography or autobiography I reckon it would be a fascinating addition to my collection hehe

There are two biographies written in recent times about Caldwell. The first is called "Killer Caldwell, Australia's greatest fighter pilot" by Jeffery Watson released in 2005. The second is called "Clive Caldwell, air ace" by Kristen Alexander released last year. I've got both and am reading the Alexander one at the moment. From what I've seen through reviews etc, the Alexander book is the better of the two however I did enjoy the Watson book.

Heinz, I agree. I couldn't put that book down, fantastic read.

[Heinz]

Much the same here, i started reading on a Friday night and between homework had it done by Sunday arvo lol!

I intend to read it again soon.

[Watanbe]

Thanks guys I will check them out!