B17

[jhor9]

Originally Posted by gis-nl

found this one for the B25, Is this a general book what all bomber pilots have to learn or was for each type off bomber ( like the B17) a different book ?

I think this pattern was pretty standard for the time

[syscom3]

Thanks again Jules.

Next questions:

1) When did your group find out you were going to Italy?

2) What route did you fly over there?

3) What were your impressions of the place when you arrived?

[Haztoys]

Great to have you here

One more if I may ..

You were trained .... Training was done ...Off to the ETO..You go ..

Now ..How did the training work out ...??

American training was good on showing what combat would be like ...

Or .. Was not ..???

OR..??

Thanks

David

[lesofprimus]

Hey Jules, do u ever get tired of answering questions??? Im sure u understand why someone like urself is so interesting to guys like us...

[davparlr]

Some pictures of a couple of forts, one flying the other super, that you guys may be interested in.

[jhor9]

Originally Posted by lesofprimus

Hey Jules, do u ever get tired of answering questions??? Im sure u understand why someone like urself is so interesting to guys like us...

Not at all. If the younger gererations are interested in my gererations feats in WW2, I for one am glad to answer questions. It also proves to me that I still don't have Alzheimers. Fire away with your querys.
For the last 15 years, when the Collings planes come to the 3 local airports in my area, I stay by the B17 and act as a docent.

[jhor9]

Originally Posted by syscom3

Thanks again Jules.

Next questions:

1) When did your group find out you were going to Italy?

2) What route did you fly over there?

3) What were your impressions of the place when you arrived?

I never did answer your question, here goes----

1. During crew training I was assigned to a provisional group, consisting of six crews, C.O. was a bird Col.

2. left Palm Beach, FL then to Puerto Rico,British Guyana, Belm Brazil, Natal Brazil. All day flights just keeping in sight of each other. Then from Natl to Dakar, West Africa, then Marrakesh, finally to Rabat, Morocco where we stayed until assigned to a group as replacements,

3. I was impressed by my surroundings,
since I had never been out of the country

[jhor9]

Originally Posted by Haztoys

Great to have you here

One more if I may ..

You were trained .... Training was done ...Off to the ETO..You go ..

Now ..How did the training work out ...??

American training was good on showing what combat would be like ...

Or .. Was not ..???

OR..??

Thanks

David

David,

How about this as an eye opener!!!

After I got my crew we went to Boise, Idaho for 1st phase, it was unbelievable (Incidentally, Jimmie Stewart, the actor was a 1st Lt.B17 instructor) We sat around for about 4 weeks doing absolutely nothing, Then the next 2 weeks we did 8 weeks of flying. Maybe I might have gotten back to my barracks 3 times for a shower and a change of clothes, the rest of the time I slept in the ready room, at the line. We didn't even have time to go to the mess hall, I would send a crew member to the PX or the mess hall to get sandwiches and milk for the rest of us. But the worst part was that when I got my medical shots, I asked the technician to make sure to give me the tetanus shot in my right arm, because I had to use muscle with my left to manage the planes control column, he screwed up and I got it in the wrong arm. The typhoid shot gave me a fever, you can imagine the condition I was in, dizzy with fever and a partially numb arm, with a copilot who had never been in a B17. Flying at night in snowstorms and using the radio range doing instrument flying, with 3000ft mountains about 3-4 miles away paralleling the runway.

Then we had 2nd and 3rd phase at Rapid City S.Dakota . Here we had a fuel problem our training was just cross country, just to get refueled so that the next crew would do the same thing. The maintenance was poor because as soon as ground people became experienced they were shipped out, There was one incident where a crew made a forced landing in the badlands, all 4 engines quit because they ran out of fuel. During this time I also had a generator catch fire while in flight. I never had a formation or high altitude flight, until I got on the job training in combat.

After finishing my so called training we had a 5 day delay en route to our next base. We all went home because we knew that we were going overseas when we returned, 2 of my crew never returned, I got replacements. I wasn't joking when I told my folks that I was lucky to finish my "training", it would probably be safer overseas.
We were losing the war during this period, and they needed crews overseas ASAP.

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Wow I can only imagine what it must have been like. The training today is so much different, but at the same time, the crews are not prepared for combat today. It is actually scary.

[jhor9]

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

Wow I can only imagine what it must have been like. The training today is so much different, but at the same time, the crews are not prepared for combat today. It is actually scary.

I think that you are wrong, I think that today's flight crews are well prepared. I get "Air Force" magazine and from what I gather the flying people are well trained. The smaller number of trainees, because of cost factors, I believe are well trained. One example that occurs to me is the top gun test which is most competitive.

[syscom3]

JHOR,

Greetings this memorial day. Thanks for your service to us all in the second world war, and thanks for your contributions to the website!

[Erich]

Jules I will second what syscom says in a big "thanks" to your generation for helping keep America free and the world

Erich ~

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

Originally Posted by jhor9

I think that you are wrong, I think that today's flight crews are well prepared. I get "Air Force" magazine and from what I gather the flying people are well trained. The smaller number of trainees, because of cost factors, I believe are well trained. One example that occurs to me is the top gun test which is most competitive.

Well I can not speak for the Airforce but in Army Aviation none of the training that we recieved prepared us for flying in Iraq. We only trained for fighting a different kind of war such as the Russian Hoared. I am sure the aircrews that came to Iraq after us, recieved better training.

[davparlr]

Originally Posted by DerAdlerIstGelandet

Well I can not speak for the Airforce but in Army Aviation none of the training that we recieved prepared us for flying in Iraq. We only trained for fighting a different kind of war such as the Russian Hoared. I am sure the aircrews that came to Iraq after us, recieved better training.

Historically, the military has always been preparing for the last war. Luckily, there are always a few who prepare for the future. Also, military personnel tend to learn very quickly on the battlefield!

[DerAdlerIstGelandet]

That sounds about right. Our Training area has just switched over now for the kind of environment and war we are fighting now.