 | First air victory of WWII| Stories Discuss First air victory of WWII in the World War II - Aviation forums; LOL! Sounds formilure to me. Here are some thoughts some people shared with you (including me!) altough we can live ... |
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05-17-2005, 05:32 PM
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| LOL! Sounds formilure to me. Here are some thoughts some people shared with you (including me!) altough we can live another day to tell the stories without the chance of being shot down for the very (VERY) last time of your life... [-o<
(especially the right bottom one is formiliure for me in FB AEP PF.. :P)
__________________ we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender!  | 
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05-18-2005, 09:34 AM
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Country:  | It's one thing evading and another making a kill. Also, you probably had unlimited ammo when you were in the P.11. The P.11s armament was extremely under-powered for effective combat.
Speed is one of the most important things when entering combat. The Bf-109 would have just needed to zoom in at high speeds and be all over the P.11 before it could react.
__________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004  To those in that club. | |
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05-18-2005, 11:31 AM
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Country:  | Im past my unlimited ammo days. 
__________________  with my one last gaping breath id apologise for bleeding on your shirt... | |
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05-18-2005, 11:35 AM
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Country: | I was online once playing Il-2 FB and most of the people on the other side were flying I-15 or I-16s and they were turning tighter than my Bf-109 but it didn't matter because they could never get me, I just kept it at high speed, passed them and kept going straight. They didn't stand a chance.
__________________ "When you go home tomorrow, don't expect anyone to know what you have been through. Even if they did know, most people probably wouldn't care anyway. Some of you may get the medals you deserve, many more of you will not. But remember this, all of you are now members of the front-line club, and that is the most exclusive club in the world." - Lt. Col. Matthew Maer CO 1st Battalion, the Princess of Wale's Royal Regiment. Camp Abu Naji, Oct. 2004 To those in that club. | |
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11-09-2005, 03:20 PM
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Country:  | Here you can see the grove cpt. Medwecki in little village Moravica near Cracow.   | |
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11-13-2005, 08:42 AM
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#52 | | He who does not skim
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Country:  | Very interesting pics there. If only I could read Polish. Oh well.
Interesting link too. | |
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11-13-2005, 02:00 PM
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11-13-2005, 03:39 PM
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#54 | | He who does not skim
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Country: | Yeah, I've seen those before. Good stuff. | |
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11-18-2005, 03:31 PM
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Country: | Now, more about victims... 
A fragment of bomber's fuselage Dornier Do 17 E with KG 77 with code symbol 3Z+FR. The first victory of Władysław Gnyś achieved 1 September 1939 year at seven a.m. over Żurada near Olkusz...  
A second one... | |
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01-07-2006, 08:46 PM
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Country:  | maybe cos most of the polish kills ive heard of were against Do-17s and stukas.
__________________  "The German Luftwaffe always fought without any reserves. This is also the reason why we have pilots with extremely high numbers of victories."
- General der Jagdflieger Adolf Galland"  | |
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01-28-2006, 10:48 PM
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| POLISH AIRFORCE 1939
PZL P.7a (Fighter)
Engine: Bristol Jupiter VII.F
Horsepower (hp):520
Max Speed (km/h):327
Armament:2 x 7.92 mm
Crew:1
Service Ceiling (m): 8275
Max Range (km):600
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PZL P.11a (Fighter)
Engine:Skoda Mercury IVS2
Horsepower (hp):500
Max Speed (km/h):375
Armament:2 x 7.92 mm
Crew:1
Service Ceiling (m): 8040
Max Range (km): 550
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PZL P.11c (Fighter)
Engine:PZL Mercury VIS2
Horsepower (hp): 645
Max Speed (km/h): 390
Armament: 2 or 4 x 7.92 mm
Crew:1
Service Ceiling (m): 11000
Max Range (km):810
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PZL P.50a Jastrzab (Fighter)
Engine:Bristol Mercury VIII
Horsepower (hp):840
Max Speed (km/h):500
Armament:4 x 7.92
Crew:1
Service Ceiling (m): (?)
Max Range (km):
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PZL P.23B Karas (Bomber / Recon)
Engine: PZL - Bristol Pegasus VIII
Horsepower (hp): 680
Max Speed (km/h): 350
Armament: 3 x 7.92 mm & 700kg
Crew:3
Service Ceiling (m): 7500
Max Range (km):1260
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LWS -6 Zubr (Bomber)
Engine:2 x PZL - Bristol Pegasus VIII
Horsepower (hp):680
Max Speed (km/h):380
Armament: 6 x 7.92 & 1000kg
Crew:4
Service Ceiling (m): 8000
Max Range (km): 1250
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PZL P.37B Los (Bomber)
Engine:2 x PZL - Bristol Pegasus
Horsepower (hp): 925 (each)
Max Speed (km/h): 445
Armament:3 x 7.92
Crew:4
Service Ceiling (m): 6000
Max Range (km): 2600
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RWD -14 Czapla (Recon)
Engine: PZL G-126B
Horsepower (hp): 470
Max Speed (km/h): 245
Armament: 2 x 7.92
Crew:2
Service Ceiling (m): 5000
Max Range (km): 580
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Lublin R-XIIID (Don't actually know how to say it in English its something like Military Cooperation)
Engine:Lorraine - Dietrich
Horsepower (hp): 650
Max Speed (km/h): 195
Armament: 1 x 7.92
Crew:2
Service Ceiling (m): 4450
Max Range (km): 600
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PZL M-26 Iskierka (Trainer)
Engine: Franklin - PZL F6A-350C1
Horsepower (hp): 205
Max Speed (km/h):270
Armament: 1x 7.92
Crew:2
Service Ceiling (m): (?)
Max Range (km): (?)
There were about
30 PZL P.7a
136 PZL P.11c
36 PZL P.37b
42 Lublin R-XIII
130 PZL P.23
21 RWD-14
41 PWD-8
and 9 Fokker VIIB/3m
During the Polland campaign Luftwaffe lost 285 aircrafts
and only th 40% of the 263 damaged aircraft repeired to operational status.
Polish airforce lost 333 aircraft 260 of which due to enemy activities
Only 25 military aircraft were detroyed on the ground.
More than 30 Polish aircraft were shot down by friendly antiaircraft fire
There were 14 german aircrafts shot down and another 31 Polish aircraft shot down.
And the first offensive operation in german territory took place at 2 September 1939 when a P.23 threw eight bombs of 50 kg in a railway facility (I can't write the name of the place because
I have it in greek and don't have a chance writing it correctly in english) | |
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01-31-2006, 03:52 AM
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Country: | did the jastrab get into service?
__________________ "The German Luftwaffe always fought without any reserves. This is also the reason why we have pilots with extremely high numbers of victories."
- General der Jagdflieger Adolf Galland" | |
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02-03-2006, 09:31 AM
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Country: | enough to shoot down a stuka dumb enough to attack a nimble little fighter
__________________ "The German Luftwaffe always fought without any reserves. This is also the reason why we have pilots with extremely high numbers of victories."
- General der Jagdflieger Adolf Galland" | |
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