First air victory of WWII - Aircraft of World War II

tino · 01-29-2005, 02:07 PM

At about 7:00 a.m., (other sources say 5:30 a.m.), two P-11c's moved onto the runway. Just after take off, at about 300 meters altitude, the Polish fighters were suddenly attacked by a pair of German Ju 87B dive-bombers, from I/StG2 "Immelmann". Uffz. Frank Neubert , piloting a "Stuka" coded "T6+GK", sucessfully shot at Medwecki and scored probably the first air victory of WWII. "Jedenastka" ("Eleventh" - popular Polish name of P-11) fell, and commander of the "City of Krakow" Regiment was killed. Gnys was now also under attack, but a few seconds later he shot at a "Stuka" piloted by Lt. Branderburg. From the German aircraft there appeared some smoke, but it managed to escape into the clouds and returned to Nieder-Ellguth Airfield.

tino · 01-29-2005, 10:43 PM

Sorry, but I'm still tryin to figure out how this page works.
The picture above showing
Epilogue: On August 31st, 1989, at 10:00 a.m., and after 50 years after the war, two combatants from either side met again - Wladyslaw Gnys and Frank Neubert - this time as friends. They were the first pilots to score air victories in WWII .

tino · 01-29-2005, 11:07 PM

Gnys did not return to his airfield, but flew directly to the German border. A few minutes later, he noticed a formation of two Do 17E bombers from KG 77, probably returning from the Krakow bombing. The Polish fighter pilot attacked the bombers with the advantage of altitude. After a few passes, both Do 17 bombers crashed in the country village of Zurada, near Olkusz city. One of the bombers had the call sign "3Z+FR" on the fuselage. All 6 German crew members were killed (one was identified as Uffz. Klose). On the return home to base, Gnys met alone He 111, but his guns were out of ammo

evangilder · 01-30-2005, 02:25 AM

Interesting story! Even cooler with the picture of them today as friends.

cheddar cheese · 01-30-2005, 03:58 AM

Yeah, I love the P.11c! Its such a great little aircraft

the lancaster kicks ass · 01-30-2005, 02:35 PM

i don't like it.............

cheddar cheese · 01-30-2005, 05:25 PM

Why?

Nonskimmer · 01-30-2005, 05:48 PM

That's interesting, tino. Great pic too!

the lancaster kicks ass · 01-31-2005, 02:54 PM

because it's ugly................

Adolf Galland · 01-31-2005, 05:37 PM

and outgunned, very poor performance

Medvedya · 01-31-2005, 06:27 PM

That's a bit facile.

Consider that it was developed in the mid Thirties. It was simply of it's time - which doesn't mean it was a bad aircraft.

The fact that one of them shot down two modern German bombers in one sitting would suggest it really wasn't bad at all.

Crazy · 01-31-2005, 06:27 PM

Lanc, are there any planes that you think aren't ugly?

The P.11 is indeed a wonderful little plane

lesofprimus · 01-31-2005, 07:06 PM

What happened to CC's siggy pic???

the lancaster kicks ass · 02-01-2005, 02:39 PM

the lancaster isn't ugly..........

GermansRGeniuses · 02-01-2005, 08:14 PM

How did we know you would say that?

Wasn't there a time you said the Battle wasn't bad-looking?

01-29-2005, 11:07 PM	#3
tino Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, New York USA Posts: 22	the first Allied WWII air victory. Gnys did not return to his airfield, but flew directly to the German border. A few minutes later, he noticed a formation of two Do 17E bombers from KG 77, probably returning from the Krakow bombing. The Polish fighter pilot attacked the bombers with the advantage of altitude. After a few passes, both Do 17 bombers crashed in the country village of Zurada, near Olkusz city. One of the bombers had the call sign "3Z+FR" on the fuselage. All 6 German crew members were killed (one was identified as Uffz. Klose). On the return home to base, Gnys met alone He 111, but his guns were out of ammo

01-30-2005, 02:25 AM	#4
evangilder "Shooter" Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Moorpark, CA Posts: 14,807	Interesting story! Even cooler with the picture of them today as friends. __________________ http://www.vg-photo.com For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return. Leonardo Da Vinci

01-30-2005, 02:35 PM	#6
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	i don't like it............. __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

01-31-2005, 02:54 PM	#9
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	because it's ugly................ __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

01-31-2005, 06:27 PM	#12
Crazy Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 699	Lanc, are there any planes that you think aren't ugly? The P.11 is indeed a wonderful little plane __________________

01-29-2005, 10:43 PM	#2
tino Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, New York USA Posts: 22	Sorry, but I'm still tryin to figure out how this page works. The picture above showing Epilogue: On August 31st, 1989, at 10:00 a.m., and after 50 years after the war, two combatants from either side met again - Wladyslaw Gnys and Frank Neubert - this time as friends. They were the first pilots to score air victories in WWII .

01-30-2005, 03:58 AM	#5
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	Yeah, I love the P.11c! Its such a great little aircraft

01-30-2005, 05:25 PM	#7
cheddar cheese Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: WSM, England Posts: 20,387	Why?

01-30-2005, 05:48 PM	#8
Nonskimmer Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia Posts: 8,871	That's interesting, tino. Great pic too!

01-31-2005, 05:37 PM	#10
Adolf Galland Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: New York City Posts: 105	and outgunned, very poor performance

01-31-2005, 06:27 PM	#11
Medvedya Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 2,386	That's a bit facile. Consider that it was developed in the mid Thirties. It was simply of it's time - which doesn't mean it was a bad aircraft. The fact that one of them shot down two modern German bombers in one sitting would suggest it really wasn't bad at all.

01-31-2005, 07:06 PM	#13
lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 17,497	What happened to CC's siggy pic??? __________________ My IL2 Video Tribute to My Grandfather: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtzN5RuNNJk

02-01-2005, 02:39 PM	#14
the lancaster kicks ass Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 19,945	the lancaster isn't ugly.......... __________________ "Reminds me of the time I sank the Tirpitz" comments a Spitfire pilot, "One pass of course, old boy."

02-01-2005, 08:14 PM	#15
GermansRGeniuses Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,043	How did we know you would say that? Wasn't there a time you said the Battle wasn't bad-looking? __________________ Holder of "Crappiest Post Ever" Award. 2005 Palos Verdes Concours d'Elegance Thread

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